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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    Apparently the majority of Americans don't believe that the Republican 'policy' is better. If they did, the Republicans would get rid of it in a heartbeat. That has been one of their objectives for years now. They have the majority of government right now. What's the hold up? Are you ticked because your suggestion isn't working out?
    No, I'm irritated because you're trying to take what the voters support, and pass that off as some kind of rational public policy. I certainly hope you have a better argument for leaving SS the way it is than "the voters agree with me."

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    So, the democracy is OK as long as everyone votes the way you think they should?
    It seems to me that people have no right to vote to spend their children's money, for the same reason that whites have no right to vote to enslave blacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    The alternative solution ain't working out too well, so it seems as though the majority is satisfied with what we have.
    So you wouldn't make any changes at all? You'd just ignore the obvious demographic trends, and do nothing until the program goes bust?

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    You have ways to invest in whatever you want. SS is insurance.
    If you want security, government bonds provide a better return than SS and are less of a risk. But those of us who ARE comfortable taking risks should not be protected from ourselves.
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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon
    It's been a great success. We don't have millions of old folks begging in the streets. Maybe that is not something that would bother you.
    You keep avoiding the question: If your goal is to keep people out of poverty, we already have poverty-based government assistance. Why do we need a universal entitlement that pays people just for being old?
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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    I have an even better idea.

    think of all the money we could save if we just raise it to 90????

    hell, lets make it 100!!!!!!!
    !!! 7000+ Americans DEAD !!!
    (3,000 on 9/11 due to 8 years of innaction by democrats........ 2,800+ in Iraq due to the actions of terrorists supported by democrats. 1,600 in Katrina mainly in a state and city run by, you guessed it, democrats)
    National debt: $8.18 Trillion and counting due to fighting wars the democrats refused to fight.
    Osama bin Laden still on the loose after the democrats allowed him to plan and carry out the biggest attack ever on American soil.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Think of all the poor old people with no money to pay their medical bills.
    97% of all paper money in the US contains traces of cocaine.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon
    The point was that the terrible scenario you were painting actually happens. Not all are as lucky as you.
    It IS happening, the government has already renigged on me, and you want them to do more of it. If it's a company I have a choice about it, with the government I don't. And the days of defined pension plans where the employee is not the outright owner of the wealth are dying, more and more companies are moving to 401k's and employee own non-contributory plans making it safer for the employee.

    The point is the government needs to be doing the same thing.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon
    Who on the left told you SS was a "contract"? What a silly thing to say.
    And you believed that?
    The left uses it all the time, and note the quotation marks. But then your saying the government shouldn't have to honor it's obligations?

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger
    The left uses it all the time, and note the quotation marks. But then your saying the government shouldn't have to honor it's obligations?
    I haven't heard the left say that, I've only heard the right (like you) say it create a strawman argument.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon
    I haven't heard the left say that..........
    Oh that proves it.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    kandahar you dont live in a border state do ya?

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar
    You keep avoiding the question: If your goal is to keep people out of poverty, we already have poverty-based government assistance. Why do we need a universal entitlement that pays people just for being old?
    I thought I had answered that, but there really isn't much difference in our positions. The issue is whether as a policy we should have some age where we say you don't have to work anymore based on age.

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