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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Has anybody addressed the simple solution yet...i have not read most of these posts...


    When SS was enacted in the NEW DEAL, the average age of life was 63.
    They made retirement, or the age that SS was achievable, the age 65.


    Oooohhh...

    Interesting...

    Why not make a National call for increasing retirement benifits to the age of 79, or essentially 2 years after whatever TODAYS average age of life IS?

    What the hell is the problem with THAT?

    Well, those that are getting older, that is what the problem is.
    So...it is not about what is right...it is about WHO VOTES!

    When they talk about voting...and older people vote more than younger people...welll, younger people are just ****ing themselves in the *** by not taking this **** seriously.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
    Correction "surplus funds," either the government needs to quit overtaxing us or it should use that money to pay down the deficit I am in no way opposed to that.

    havent you heard? we arent overtaxed at all. as a matter of fact, we should be taxed even more.

    its not our money, its the governments money. we should only keep what the government says we should be able to keep.
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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    id be shocked if i ever see any money from SS.
    I would be content if they refunded me all of my money I have contributed to my social security
    We should stop the SS taxes (but not benefits) immediately, but put younger workers on notice that they'll never receive SS benefits.
    I've heard each and every one of these comments and more.

    BACK IN THE SIXTIES!!!

    SS is still here. The cons have been trying to get rid of SS ever since it was introduced. They can't stand it that a Democrat idea is such a success.
    Look at the present, Republicans control both branches of Congress and the Presidency and STILL can't get rid of it . If they can't get rid of it with that much control, when will they be able to do it?
    The people want it (GWB's little anti SS tour didn't last long, did it?).

    Forty years ago I was allowed to opt out of Social Security. I did. Instead of paying the tax, the money went into investments. Where I worked we discontinued the mismanaged pension and went with a 401k. I retired now, no pension, no Social Security, and I'm quite happy.
    I have my 401, savings AND SS. I'm happy as well.
    (you'd be amazed at what you can figure out what to do with all that EXTRA SS money...LOL)

    What would happen if you ran out of money?
    UUUHH, nobody told me about that...LOL

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    I still say we need to raise the cap on which social security taxes are taken.

    Right now, a CEO can make 40 million a year, yet pay the exact same S.S. taxes as someone who makes $86,000 a year.

    I don't care what anyone says, this isn't right.

    I also believe that if you're making over a certain amount of money in retirement...say..$250,000 grand a year, that you receive no S.S. benefits. You don't need S.S. benefits if you're pulling in that kind of income. I don't care if you've paid into the system, or not.

    Why should millionaires be drawing S.S. checks?

    Don't like it? Consider it a priviledge and part of your responsibility to get to live in a free nation.

    I'd also like to see something done about all the kids drawing S.S. disability checks from the government. I'm working my arse off, and I see kids, half my age, drawing disability checks each month..probably for drug addiction..or what not, and they seem perfectly healthy and capable of working a job.

    If you've worked hard all your life, and paid into the system...you deserve that extra bit of income to sustain a better retirement.

    Or how 'bout this...you don't work and pay into the system, then you receive no S.S. benefits.

    The whole problem with Bush's idea was..it penalizes the poor. ( Big surprise there, right?) If your income is such that you have little left over after paying the bills and putting food on the table, then you certainly have no money to invest for future retirement. That's where S.S. taxes can help the poor look forward to a retirement with dignity.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    They can't stand it that a Democrat idea is such a success.

    I had been about ready to give up on this thread, but i am glad i didnt
    that statement alone was worth reading all these posts



    too freaking funny
    A Success

    SS is anything but a success
    and maybe you should re-read Bodi's post about how SS started

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Yes, but I want every penny I've put in back with interest.
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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    "I have my 401, savings AND SS. I'm happy as well.
    (you'd be amazed at what you can figure out what to do with all that EXTRA SS money...LOL)"

    And, how happy would you have been if another 12% of pre-tax dollars were going into your 401k?

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    SS is still here. The cons have been trying to get rid of SS ever since it was introduced. They can't stand it that a Democrat idea is such a success.
    It's not a success. A simple look at demographic trends in this country indicates that there will be a day of reckoning in the not-too-distant future. So let's get rid of the program before that happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    Look at the present, Republicans control both branches of Congress and the Presidency and STILL can't get rid of it . If they can't get rid of it with that much control, when will they be able to do it?
    The people want it (GWB's little anti SS tour didn't last long, did it?).
    I agree, which is why it will probably be politically necessary to get rid of it in small increments, rather than all at once. We should start by ending its universality; those who don't need SS shouldn't draw from it. Then over time, we can increase restrictions and decrease benefits.

    Is that the ideal solution? No. But it's probably politically necessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    I have my 401, savings AND SS. I'm happy as well.
    (you'd be amazed at what you can figure out what to do with all that EXTRA SS money...LOL)
    You could've made a lot more money if the government hadn't stolen your SS money in the first place, and let you invest it.
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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH

    I had been about ready to give up on this thread, but i am glad i didnt
    that statement alone was worth reading all these posts



    too freaking funny
    A Success

    SS is anything but a success
    and maybe you should re-read Bodi's post about how SS started

    lol.....you beat me to it.

    yeah, SS is a raging success. lol.

    at the current pace, I should see mine by 85.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
    lol.....you beat me to it.

    yeah, SS is a raging success. lol.

    at the current pace, I should see mine by 85.

    Can you imagine someone buying a retirement program from a company and 30 years into it the company sends them letter saying that instead starting to pay you at 65 as the contract stated they were now informing you that they would not be able to start paying you until you hit 68 and that they may not have enough money anyway and that if you continue to make as much as you do and save as much on your own as you do they will cut what they pay you in half because they don't have the revenue coming in and you make too much anyway....................and that person calling up a friend boasting what a great successful company it is.

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