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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon
    Are you arguing SS is a contract? I never signed a contract, did you? And in fact when I got my SS report it specifically provided the benefits were estimates and not guaranteed and subject to change.
    I signed up for SS when I was 16 and they gave me my card. Signed the form they gave me. Clintons former OMB head said it was a contract. But again you support the Government renigging on it's "agreement" with me, I voted for what the politicians said I would get and now they can just say "nope"? And that is suppose to be a good deal for me? What if when you die your inheritors take your insurance policy to the company that underwrote it and said we want to collect but the insurance company told them that they went over your estate and you make too much so they are only going to pay half the benifit now? [/quote]Private insurance is. SS is not.[/quote] So SS is not insurance?

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by [B
    Hoot]The easiest solution is to simply raise the cap on which social security taxes are levied. Of course, the rich Bush supporters want nothing to do with that. [/B]

    Someone who makes 1 million a year might have to pay $57,000 into S.S, something they could easily afford.

    Right now, 14% of elderly women are living in poverty...take away that S.S. check and we're looking at close to 50%! This is America...we're supposed to be better than that.

    The easiest solution...STOP RAIDING THE S.S. TRUST FUND!!!
    That is always the solution by the left....Raise taxes on someone else.....Income redistribution.....
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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride
    That is always the solution by the left....Raise taxes on someone else.....Income redistribution.....
    It is income redistribution -- from those who work to the trust fund babies.

    Republican income redistribution.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger
    I signed up for SS when I was 16 and they gave me my card. Signed the form they gave me. Clintons former OMB head said it was a contract. But again you support the Government renigging on it's "agreement" with me, I voted for what the politicians said I would get and now they can just say "nope"? And that is suppose to be a good deal for me? What if when you die your inheritors take your insurance policy to the company that underwrote it and said we want to collect but the insurance company told them that they went over your estate and you make too much so they are only going to pay half the benifit now?
    Private insurance is. SS is not.
    So SS is not insurance?
    I thought you were a support of ditching SS for private accounts? If you want to preserve the SS system, my reccommendation is to vote Democrat; Republicans want to destroy it.

    Private insurance is great. What if you insurance company goes TU? what do we do with the people that don't have private insurance?

    SS is social insurance.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon
    I thought you were a support of ditching SS for private accounts? If you want to preserve the SS system, my reccommendation is to vote Democrat; Republicans want to destroy it.
    Yes, I thought you were in favor of keeping it even if it means it will not forefil it's promise.

    Private insurance is great. What .......................?
    I asked you first

    "What if when you die your inheritors take your insurance policy to the company that
    underwrote it and said we want to collect but the insurance company told them that they went over your estate and you make too much so they are only going to pay half the benifit now?"



    what do we do with the people that don't have private insurance?
    You can do whatever you freely choose to do with them, give them half your wealth for a start.

    SS is social insurance.
    So answer my question above.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon
    It is income redistribution -- from those who work to the trust fund babies.

    Republican income redistribution.
    Actually, as your post demonstrate, it is satisfying a jealousy.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger
    Yes, I thought you were in favor of keeping it even if it means it will not forefil it's promise.
    I'm in favor of social insurance, not the current SS system.

    I asked you first
    sorry, I thought you were asking rhetorically.

    What if when you die your inheritors take your insurance policy to the company that underwrote it and said we want to collect but the insurance company told them that they went over your estate and you make too much so they are only going to pay half the benifit now
    If the insurance contract didn't allow them to do that, I'd probably sue them.

    You can do whatever you freely choose to do with them, give them half your wealth for a start.
    Unfortunately, that won't resolve the problem.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger
    Actually, as your post demonstrate, it is satisfying a jealousy.
    Damn right I'm jealous when I have to pay higher taxes so that someone who did nothing more than have the talent to pick the right womb inherits a billion doesn't have to pay a dime in taxes on it.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon
    I'm in favor of social insurance, not the current SS system.
    Well insurance is a contract, I pay so much and in return get so much coverage. If the company wants to change it I can go elsewhere but when it comes time to collect they must pay according to the terms under which I paid.



    If the insurance contract didn't allow them to do that, I'd probably sue them.
    And your justification for allowing the government to do it?


    me>> You can do whatever you freely choose to do with them, give them half your wealth for a start.

    Unfortunately, that won't resolve the problem.
    Sorry but that's just an excuse. You get others to do by setting examples.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon
    Years back I saw a factoid that said there're more folks from my generation, X, who believe in alien abductions than who believe they will get anything from SS.

    Not sure what to make of that.
    I receive SS today but when I was in the workforce I never expected to get it so I planned my retirement accordingly.....

    I suggest all young people do the same.....
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