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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    my brother, learned a good trade in the Navy, but when he got out he found that to work in his trade, he had to move about 60 miles away from mommy and daddy, who let him live for free in their house....it was a good deal until they died. He got the house, but had no income to pay the expenses of having a house. He could have sold the house and moved to where the work is, altho the house isn't worth much money, it was still a way to be independent. Instead he got an increase in his disability that now pays about $800 per month and stayed in the house. It is falling apart around him, but it is home. I knew he was lazy when we were kids, but he was mom's favorite and she enabled his laziness.
    In other words, he CAN but he WON'T.....
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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I don't know them personally and I don't know their mindset. From what I see, neither of them are lazy because they both act on things, they both want things, they both do things. I can't just sit here and tell you who is lazy and who is not lazy, it's such a subjective and judgmental way to look at the world.
    Nice dodge.

    I'm not asking which of the two are lazy, personally, I'm asking who you think is more likely to encourage laziness amongst U.S. citizens.

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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Nice dodge.

    I'm not asking which of the two are lazy, personally, I'm asking who you think is more likely to encourage laziness amongst U.S. citizens.
    lol how is that a dogde? I'm telling you that I can't judge that based on what I know. I also can't tell you who is "more likely to encourage laziness" because it's more of an opinion-based thing. It's just not objectively possible knowing that laziness is more of an individual mentality rather than some sort of activity than can be encouraged or discouraged.


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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    lol how is that a dogde? I'm telling you that I can't judge that based on what I know.
    What do you know? What can you tell me about your choice for president? Did you even vote?

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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    One of the most amusing lines of attack against a large portion of Americans is that they are lazy "takers" who don't want the American dream. Hilarious I know, but I love this because while many politicians embrace this ideology, they simultaneously criticize others for being divisive and waging "class warfare". To me, this is one of the biggest lies today that is unnecessarily dividing the American people when we really should be uniting with each other against the political establishment.

    This idea of a significant population of Americans being lazy is purported so much that you'd think there is hard evidence for it, but is there? You can easily measure how many people are unemployed, or how many people are receiving welfare, but how do you objectively measure laziness? It's such a subjective concept but folks seem to love running to it as a way to sway voters. How can so many people claim to know this and use it as a wedge issue with such confidence?

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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    A good measure of laziness is who you voted for.

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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    I’ve worked with some people I’ve considered lazy. In the design process of a product one can solve a problem by applying solutions that have worked in the past. Sometimes those ‘standard’ solutions result in high cost; but, too bad that is the way it’s done. One particular case we would have to pay for the development of a custom connector adding high costs and development time for one extra signal contact. I challenged the team of 8, from two companies, several times to find a way to reduce the signals needed by one. They all told me that there was no way to do it because “This is how it’s always done.” After two weeks I came up with a simple solution. I asked if anyone else was working on a solution and “No.” was the answer. I have a patent for the solution which I didn’t share with any of the other 8 which is generally done. In my opinion the 8 others were lazy making an average salary that is in the 80k range.

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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    What do you know?


    What can you tell me about your choice for president? Did you even vote?
    I did not.


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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    One of the most amusing lines of attack against a large portion of Americans is that they are lazy "takers" who don't want the American dream. Hilarious I know, but I love this because while many politicians embrace this ideology, they simultaneously criticize others for being divisive and waging "class warfare". To me, this is one of the biggest lies today that is unnecessarily dividing the American people when we really should be uniting with each other against the political establishment.

    This idea of a significant population of Americans being lazy is purported so much that you'd think there is hard evidence for it, but is there? You can easily measure how many people are unemployed, or how many people are receiving welfare, but how do you objectively measure laziness? It's such a subjective concept but folks seem to love running to it as a way to sway voters. How can so many people claim to know this and use it as a wedge issue with such confidence?

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    Hello everybody!

    For the poll question "Can you actually measure laziness?" I voted No. The general definition on Wikipedia for laziness states: "Laziness (also called indolence) is a disinclination to activity or exertion despite having the ability to do so. It is often used as a pejorative; related terms for a person seen to be lazy include couch potato, slacker, and bludger."

    Looking at this definition, and then adding the political context that Cilogy places the question in prevents me from answering Yes. As the original poster has pointed out, politicians do use the word (or insinuate it through other words) to negatively describe Americans who are being assisted in one form or another by the government. While I am positive that there are "lazy" people who are using the system to aid themselves; I am also positive that there are those who are truly in need.

    A prime example of this use (through insinuation with other words) was the famous Romney speech where he insinuated that 47% of Americans are lazy, "…These are people who pay no income tax…My job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." Of course, without a true measure to back up his claim he had to later recant these words in an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity. “In this case I said something that’s just completely wrong.”

    Just as Mycroft, TheGirlNextDoor, and UtahBill have pointed out, it is something that can be seen (or more easily measured) on a personal level; but I do not think that it can be so easily defined and measured on a national scale with all of the variables that each person's situation brings to the table, so to speak (especially in a political context where it is used to appeal on a more emotional level).
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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    A perfect example is the guy I saw sitting on the curb with a sign that said "No work, need money, food" with a "Now Taking Applications" sign right behind him on the local Waffle House. Last time I checked, the Waffle House will hire anyone that can breath and blink at the same time. Some Americans need to take their nose out of the air and work wherever they can. I distinctly remember my father working 2 jobs. One delivering milk, the other as custodian for Servicemaster. He had no pride when it came to providing for my mom, brother, and me. Whatever put food on the table was done.
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