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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    One of the most amusing lines of attack against a large portion of Americans is that they are lazy "takers" who don't want the American dream. Hilarious I know, but I love this because while many politicians embrace this ideology, they simultaneously criticize others for being divisive and waging "class warfare". To me, this is one of the biggest lies today that is unnecessarily dividing the American people when we really should be uniting with each other against the political establishment.

    This idea of a significant population of Americans being lazy is purported so much that you'd think there is hard evidence for it, but is there? You can easily measure how many people are unemployed, or how many people are receiving welfare, but how do you objectively measure laziness? It's such a subjective concept but folks seem to love running to it as a way to sway voters. How can so many people claim to know this and use it as a wedge issue with such confidence?

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    Different people would have different definitions. I don't consider wealthy people who have worked hard, smart and honest for what they have who then PAY others fair compensation to have their meals cooked, house cleaned, yard cared for, etc. lazy. I don't consider people who cannot do for themselves adequately lazy. I don't consider people who reply upon temporary help lazy especially if they are occupied in rigorous activity to improve their lives to better become productive in the future. To me lazy is when people don't want to do for themselves, have never earned the equity that lets them afford to pay somebody else to do for them, are healthy and are not somehow disadvantaged and want others to be at their service offering nothing in return, now or in the future.
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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    If you are habitually on welfare you are lazy, drug or alcohol addicted or have mental problems. Most have a combination of all of the above I bet.

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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    What's the question?

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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    i know a lot of people who are on some kind of assistance, and most of them work even harder than i do; multiple jobs while raising kids, **** for pay, no benefits. out of all of those people, i know maybe one or two who i suspect of gaming the system a little bit. my evidence, while anecdotal, certainly doesn't support the hyperpartisan meme of a whole nation of people spending their welfare checks on pot and fruit loops while sitting in their living room, laughing about it, and playing XBox.

    if you want people to not be on assistance, give them opportunities that pay them more, and design a health care delivery system that doesn't require the employer to foot the bill. also, it helps when routine health emergencies don't cost tens of thousands of dollars.

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    most will balk at paying higher wages, so i guess our current assistance system isn't too bad of an alternative, considering.

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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    One of the most amusing lines of attack against a large portion of Americans is that they are lazy "takers" who don't want the American dream. Hilarious I know, but I love this because while many politicians embrace this ideology, they simultaneously criticize others for being divisive and waging "class warfare". To me, this is one of the biggest lies today that is unnecessarily dividing the American people when we really should be uniting with each other against the political establishment.

    This idea of a significant population of Americans being lazy is purported so much that you'd think there is hard evidence for it, but is there? You can easily measure how many people are unemployed, or how many people are receiving welfare, but how do you objectively measure laziness? It's such a subjective concept but folks seem to love running to it as a way to sway voters. How can so many people claim to know this and use it as a wedge issue with such confidence?

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    Who would you say is the greatest purveyor of laziness: Barack Obama, or Mitt Romney?

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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    Work smart, not hard.
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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    Based on the initial premise, how about dollars times months for a formula.

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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    I don't know the best way to do it, but I would start with the people who have been on government assistance the longest.
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    Re: How do you measure laziness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Who would you say is the greatest purveyor of laziness: Barack Obama, or Mitt Romney?
    I don't know them personally and I don't know their mindset. From what I see, neither of them are lazy because they both act on things, they both want things, they both do things. I can't just sit here and tell you who is lazy and who is not lazy, it's such a subjective and judgmental way to look at the world.


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