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    Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Most of the talking heads are suggesting, due to demographic trends the Republican Party is going to have to either face the real likelihood of not winning the White House anytime in the foreseeable future or change its positions and approaches. This with the understanding one of the definitions of conservative is opposition to change.

    As I see it the GOP is at an impasse. It's going to either have to reinvent itself in order to appeal to a broader audience or its going to need to be true to its historical convictions while facing the reality that they are likely going to be a minority voice politically and no chance at the Oval Office. Going forward should the GOP modernize and change its character in efforts to win the ultimate prize, the White House or should the GOP remain true to its principles and let the chips fall where they may being most effective as a national opposition party in congress and impacting state and local governments?
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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Most of the talking heads are suggesting, due to demographic trends the Republican Party is going to have to either face the real likelihood of not winning the White House anytime in the foreseeable future or change its positions and approaches. This with the understanding one of the definitions of conservative is opposition to change.

    As I see it tge GOP is at an impasse. It's going to either have to reinvent itself in order to appeal to a broader audience or its going to need to be true to its historical convictions while facing the reality that they are likely going to be a minority voice politically and no chance at the Oval Office. Going forward should the GOP modernize and change its character in efforts to win the ultimate prize, the White House or should the GOP remain true to its principles and let the chips fall where they may being most effective as a national opposition party in congress and impacting state and local governments?
    Personally - and I'm probably the only Republican who thinks so - I think it would be interesting for the Republican Party to actually include some welfare state advocates into their big tent.

    Back in the 90's, the GOP tried to run on a platform of "compassionate conservatism." Republicans ran on a platform of traditional family values, and, with people disgusted by President Clinton's sex scandals, they won a lot of elections that way.

    However, family social values are not entirely compatible with the laissez-faire business attitudes that the Republican Party have had.

    If we want parents to spend more time with their children to help raise them, government is needed to enforce regulations on worker hours to help them with that.

    If we want to help single parents raise their children - whether it's for teen mothers, divorced mothers, or widowed mothers - we need to make sure those women can afford to.

    If we want to end drug violence then we need to legalize the softer drugs and provide drug addicts with treatment rather than incarceration.

    If we want to preserve the traditions of sportsmanship in hunting and fishing, then we need to preserve and conserve our pristine wilderness, which means environmental regulations.

    If we want to expand that appreciation for nature, we need to promote our public parks, and utilize methods for people to partake in them, such as hosting concerts and plays.

    If we want to promote education, then we need to provide funding to public agency that utilizes the internet to produce that media free for all people to download in order to educate themselves.

    If we want to promote small businesses, then we should have government agencies, perhaps at the local level but with federal funding, that provide start-up loans to entrepreneurs so they can start their own businesses that private lenders aren't interested in.

    If the GOP wants a more ethnically diverse membership, then they need to court educated immigrants as well as hard-working middle-class immigrants rather than keeping entry and citizenship restrictive.

    Please note that I'm not saying that the GOP should rewrite it's platform to make ideas such as these their main platform. Rather, I think the GOP should stop trying to maintain an absurd sense of ideological purity and stop accusing others of being a "RINO" and expand those they can work with rather than demand people stay in lock-step with them.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    It's time for the GOP to get out of the morality business even if it costs them the evangelical voter.

    Instead, they could become the party of business and focus on rational strategies to lift up the worker and simplify the business procedures.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    IMO, the GOP should stay to MOST of their convictions but find a way to deliver them better. No mentions of God endorsed rape, "severe" conservatives, "legitimate" rape, etc, etc The GOP needs to realize that it isn't so much their fiscal message or their national defense message. It's their social policies. It's their complete disregard for the environment.
    They can stay to their platorms of pro-life. They just need to deliver it better. Stop focusing on the woman so much and focus on the babies. NO ONE can argue against a baby without coming of as callous and hateful. I would have loved to hear some of the Democrats responses to a Republican stating "The baby doesn't know nor can it help that it's the product of a rape" instead of "Well, if it's a legitimate rape...".
    They need to get off the anti-gay thing. They lost it with DADT, they're going to eventually lose it with marriage. And for what? They are clinging to a false belief that they will lose the evangelical vote or something. I just don't believe that it would be a big deal to evangelicals. Do they believe that evangelicals would suddenly vote for Democrats? LOL, I hope not. If they do, the GOP is further off the mark that we all thought.
    The GOP (especially the Tea Party) need to get away from the social dictation they preach while they state that they love freedom. Gov Romney totally personified this. He would talk on and on about freedom from this or freedom for that but then say gays can't be married, he supports DADT, the Patriot Act is good, etc. People see this as Gov Romney, and in turn the GOP, saying "We want monetary freedom but not freedom for your personal needs."
    The GOP should get with the program and realize that something needs to be done about the illegals in our country. Self-deportation isn't the answer. It's not going to happen. They need to come up with a plan that would solve the problem of illegal immigrants here and make it so we don't have this problem again. Much like Pres Reagan tried to do but failed to do in the correct order. First fund the huge fence, the tighter security, the National Guard bases, then allow "amnesty" as it's called. Provide the illegal immigrants here a fast track to citizenship with a probation period. Who cares what the guy who's been in line for citizenship for 2 years thinks? It's not his country, it's ours. We need to do what's best for our country, not the poor guy in line. No one is self deporting, I can tell you that.
    The GOP loves to be conservative everywhere but with the environment. They don't have to go Greenpeace or anything. Just add to the platform an encouragement to recycle, drive cars that get better MPG, conserve water, etc, etc. This isn't a betrayal of the free market. They should never endorse the dictation of what type of car someone should drive. But there is big difference in dictating something and advocating for it. The need to be HUGE advocates for the environment. They need to relate it to their constituents in a manner they will embarce such as how driving a car with higher MPG makes us less dependant upon the Arab nations. There are so many things the GOP could spin off of taking care of the environment that I believe many conservatives would embrace.
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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    They need to run on Progressive Conservatism not far right bull****.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    They need to run on Progressive Conservatism not far right bull****.
    So basically what we need is progressives against progressives. I'm sure one of those sides will understand what the general welfare clause actually does, right?

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So basically what we need is progressives against progressives. I'm sure one of those sides will understand what the general welfare clause actually does, right?
    Maybe you can move American society forward with the rest of the world instead of lagging behind by a few decades. Also by doing that you move the Democrats to being actual Liberals or centre-left not Progressive Conservatives as they are now.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Maybe you can move American society forward with the rest of the world instead of lagging behind by a few decades.
    You mean by putting in place things like Universal healthcare? I honestly had no idea we needed to be just like Mike, so enlighten me on this if you will.

    Also by doing that you move the Democrats to being actual Liberals or centre-left not Progressive Conservatives as they are now.
    Where exactly does that move the democrats?

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You mean by putting in place things like Universal healthcare? I honestly had no idea we needed to be just like Mike, so enlighten me on this if you will.



    Where exactly does that move the democrats?
    Well first of all socially America is behind on social issues like gay marriage and abortion. Secondly what I mean is it would move the Democrats closer to social democracy.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    well, first, the House is the most important branch of government unless you want to order a drone strike on somebody and the GOP held its majority there. Second, Obama lost support between 2008 and 2012 so I would not say the dems are trending that heavily as the inevitable winner. Third, 2016 will have no incumbent so that takes away another dem advantage. 4th, Romney won't be the nominee again and he was about as moderate as the GOP will put forth just because he bought the slot. and 5th, the GOP becoming the DNC Lite is not going to help them one iota IMHO.

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