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Thread: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Stopping the liberal agenda.....there, that was easy. I didn't even have to get into force-feeding pork barbeque to vegetarians part....
    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yes it can. Right now, the Republican Party stands for whatever the Democratic Party doesn't.
    LOL. You two are hilarious; or at least you would be if it wasn't such a serious matter.

    How can the GOP be about STOPPING the Liberal/Democrat agenda when for the most part they have supported that exact same agenda? Oh, they'll re-word it and try to slap a different coat of paint on it, but in the course of my lifetime (38+ years) there has been no truly significant difference between the things the Democrats and Republicans have done while in offce.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Most of the talking heads are suggesting, due to demographic trends the Republican Party is going to have to either face the real likelihood of not winning the White House anytime in the foreseeable future or change its positions and approaches. This with the understanding one of the definitions of conservative is opposition to change.

    As I see it the GOP is at an impasse. It's going to either have to reinvent itself in order to appeal to a broader audience or its going to need to be true to its historical convictions while facing the reality that they are likely going to be a minority voice politically and no chance at the Oval Office. Going forward should the GOP modernize and change its character in efforts to win the ultimate prize, the White House or should the GOP remain true to its principles and let the chips fall where they may being most effective as a national opposition party in congress and impacting state and local governments?
    In 2008 Republicans made fun of Obama for being a community organizer. They should think that over because Obama won re-election because he organized the best campaign and got people out to vote in droves. Republicans got too cocky that they would win and did not run a good campaign. That being said they do need to keep religion, abortion, and gay rights out of the conversation if they expect to win an election in the near future.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    If the republican party were to return to the days when they supported SMALL business, while simultaneously distancing themselves from the far right cultural crusaders, they would certainly increase their appeal to me.
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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Personally - and I'm probably the only Republican who thinks so - I think it would be interesting for the Republican Party to actually include some welfare state advocates into their big tent.

    Back in the 90's, the GOP tried to run on a platform of "compassionate conservatism." Republicans ran on a platform of traditional family values, and, with people disgusted by President Clinton's sex scandals, they won a lot of elections that way.

    However, family social values are not entirely compatible with the laissez-faire business attitudes that the Republican Party have had.

    If we want parents to spend more time with their children to help raise them, government is needed to enforce regulations on worker hours to help them with that.

    If we want to help single parents raise their children - whether it's for teen mothers, divorced mothers, or widowed mothers - we need to make sure those women can afford to.

    If we want to end drug violence then we need to legalize the softer drugs and provide drug addicts with treatment rather than incarceration.

    If we want to preserve the traditions of sportsmanship in hunting and fishing, then we need to preserve and conserve our pristine wilderness, which means environmental regulations.

    If we want to expand that appreciation for nature, we need to promote our public parks, and utilize methods for people to partake in them, such as hosting concerts and plays.

    If we want to promote education, then we need to provide funding to public agency that utilizes the internet to produce that media free for all people to download in order to educate themselves.

    If we want to promote small businesses, then we should have government agencies, perhaps at the local level but with federal funding, that provide start-up loans to entrepreneurs so they can start their own businesses that private lenders aren't interested in.

    If the GOP wants a more ethnically diverse membership, then they need to court educated immigrants as well as hard-working middle-class immigrants rather than keeping entry and citizenship restrictive.

    Please note that I'm not saying that the GOP should rewrite it's platform to make ideas such as these their main platform. Rather, I think the GOP should stop trying to maintain an absurd sense of ideological purity and stop accusing others of being a "RINO" and expand those they can work with rather than demand people stay in lock-step with them.
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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Why should the GOP become lesser liberals? I say they stick it out or go down swinging.
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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Simply put go back to the Reagan concepts and treat the Teas and extremists like lepers. Focus on real grass roots actions and find out what the 'average joe" wants or needs. Build on that and what the votes come in.
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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Most of the talking heads are suggesting, due to demographic trends the Republican Party is going to have to either face the real likelihood of not winning the White House anytime in the foreseeable future or change its positions and approaches. This with the understanding one of the definitions of conservative is opposition to change.

    As I see it the GOP is at an impasse. It's going to either have to reinvent itself in order to appeal to a broader audience or its going to need to be true to its historical convictions while facing the reality that they are likely going to be a minority voice politically and no chance at the Oval Office. Going forward should the GOP modernize and change its character in efforts to win the ultimate prize, the White House or should the GOP remain true to its principles and let the chips fall where they may being most effective as a national opposition party in congress and impacting state and local governments?
    Here's a good article on this subject, specifically as related to the immigration issue:

    Could Texas Become a Blue State? : The New Yorker

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Simply put go back to the Reagan concepts and treat the Teas and extremists like lepers. Focus on real grass roots actions and find out what the 'average joe" wants or needs. Build on that and what the votes come in.
    Therein you make the mistake of putting political expediency and victory above PRINCIPLES. The reason I will no longer vote for members of EITHER party is the fact that neither one of them even espouses, nevermind lives up to, any level of PRINCIPLES.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Therein you make the mistake of putting political expediency and victory above PRINCIPLES. The reason I will no longer vote for members of EITHER party is the fact that neither one of them even espouses, nevermind lives up to, any level of PRINCIPLES.
    As I said earlier, I don't think most people rank policy issues as the top reason they vote the way they do. They vote for who they think is on their side and can be talked into almost anything as long as they know beyond a doubt the candidate honest to goodness, no pandering will government in their best interest.
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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    well, first, the House is the most important branch of government unless you want to order a drone strike on somebody....
    This is hilarious dude.
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