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Thread: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Why should the GOP become lesser liberals? I say they stick it out or go down swinging.
    I have to agree with you there. It has always been my policy to stick to what I believe in. I don't see anything to gain by losing who you are and what you stand for. All I see is that you just let your opponent destroy you by destroying yourself.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Maybe you can move American society forward with the rest of the world instead of lagging behind by a few decades. Also by doing that you move the Democrats to being actual Liberals or centre-left not Progressive Conservatives as they are now.
    If I wanted America to be like every other developed western country in the world, I'd move my ass to one of those other developed western countries.

    One of the things that makes me love this country, want to see it remain great, and want to remain in it is because it has it's own history, it's own governmental philosophy, and it's own direction that one can easily discern through a reasoned understanding and reading of our history. Attempting to be more like "The rest of the world" is the very thing that I don't want to see and is what has continued to chip away from what America once represented

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    The GOP should stick to general Conservative Principles but do three main things with them....

    1. Stop ignorantly believing that the POLICIES it's long held are what define conservatism. Re-evalute your policy stances, but do not let that re-evaluation go outside the scope of conservative principle.

    2. Stop putting such emphasis and focus on the social principles of the ideology specifically through wedge issues and allowing them to override over portions of the ideology.

    3. Stop thinking that explaining how your ideology will help specific groups to those specific groups is "pandering".

    Understand that dropping something from 70% to 30% is going to have a massively different impact than from 30% to 25%. Realize that if a person doesn't see a fetus as being the full equivilent of a "baby" that every emotional twaddle argument you put out there isn't going to have any effect. Realize that every 4 years the "young" people you have such disdain for in terms of their views are moving closer and closer into that "regular voter" age, and their social principles are not going to magically change. Understand the realities of the web2.0 world we live in, and the status of the media, and find ways to function within it rather than ignorantly assuming you'll just get people to ignore it.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Personally, I believe that the GOP needs to reinvent itself BY returning to its Values since the party currently does not have an over-arching Philosophy or set of Morals/Values to speak of.

    I defy any individual here at DP to tell me what the Republican Party actually stands for? What are their Core Values, which belong to the leadership of the party, their candidates, and their members. I don't believe it can be done.

    To that end the GOP needs to determine what its core values are, and begin the process of weeding out the people who do not or cannot accept, live by, and promote those ideals and values. Right now the GOP has no real platform. It looks like and MC Escher painting, or the Winchester House in California.... by which I mean that it has no rhyme or reason to anything it does, says, or claims to believe in. No two candidates from the party promote the same platform. Nobody actually lives up to the values they claim to espouse. It's like the mirror room in a carnival funhouse.

    IF the GOP is ever to truly stand against the Democractic Party in any significant way, they are going to have to find a spine, some guts, a heart, and start cleaning house of those individuals who are not going to help them show the American Public that they are an ALTERNATIVE to the Democractic Party, not simply their shrimpy little brother who hangs onto their coat tails.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Obama's second term will doom the GOP to a role of trying to slow the inevitable slide towards socialism. The Dem's will have so many people sucking off the government tit that in four more years that they will never vote Republican again.It doesn't make me happy to say this but it is reality and it is our future.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
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    I defy any individual here at DP to tell me what the Republican Party actually stands for? What are their Core Values, which belong to the leadership of the party, their candidates, and their members. I don't believe it can be done.......
    Stopping the liberal agenda.....there, that was easy. I didn't even have to get into force-feeding pork barbeque to vegetarians part....

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I defy any individual here at DP to tell me what the Republican Party actually stands for? What are their Core Values, which belong to the leadership of the party, their candidates, and their members. I don't believe it can be done.
    Yes it can.

    Right now, the Republican Party stands for whatever the Democratic Party doesn't.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    I think where the GOP is missing it is they have made people, IE: voters, out to be "the problem". The democrats have done this too but to a far lesser extent. I'm of the opinion most voters don't really rank "policies" high up on the why I vote for ____________ on their list of voter preference considerations. What matters more than anything else is do they see the candidate or party as being on their side; is this party or candidate for them or against them. Policies are secondary and if the cases are properly made voters can be persuaded that this or that policy is in their best interest. Obama won re-election this month not because his policies were the best or his track record was stellar. He won because say what you will, voters connected with him because he is perceived as genuinely concerned, cares deeply about the American people and they trusted him to base his decisions on what he honestly thinks are in their best interest and does not view them as "the trouble with this country".
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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Put me firmly on the side of those wanting the GOP to stick to its principles and not change a thing! Winning elections is vastly overrated. It is far more important to maintain ideological purity in the face of all that riff-raff out there! They are the only hope for old white guys and they can't abandon us!
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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Put me firmly on the side of those wanting the GOP to stick to its principles and not change a thing! Winning elections is vastly overrated. It is far more important to maintain ideological purity in the face of all that riff-raff out there! They are the only hope for old white guys and they can't abandon us!
    I'll add winning the White House, although it is a big deal is somewhat overrated. The GOP would be far more effective if they just had just The House or The Senate but the majority of state legislatures, Governor's Mansions and school boards in the country (excluding Arizona ).
    Last edited by Smeagol; 11-27-12 at 11:38 AM.
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