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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Well first of all socially America is behind on social issues like gay marriage and abortion. Secondly what I mean is it would move the Democrats closer to social democracy.
    Expanding state control over marriage is not moving forward. Republicans at the moment have no choice however to accept that position, but it would of been nice if they didn't shot their foot off so they could of picked up the position of separating marriage from government.

    As for abortion, they have no reason to move away from their position on that. They need to stop saying crazy **** and stop putting up crazy ass invasive bills, but the pro-life position is a good position.

    Social democracy on the other hand is just a transition movement to socialism. Democrats are already doing that.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Expanding state control over marriage is not moving forward. Republicans at the moment have no choice however to accept that position, but it would of been nice if they didn't shot their foot off so they could of picked up the position of separating marriage from government.

    As for abortion, they have no reason to move away from their position on that. They need to stop saying crazy **** and stop putting up crazy ass invasive bills, but the pro-life position is a good position.

    Social democracy on the other hand is just a transition movement to socialism. Democrats are already doing that.
    Weird usually equal rights is moving forward and pro-life is a good position to have, if your a redneck. What your thinking of is democratic socialism not social democracy.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Weird usually equal rights is moving forward and pro-life is a good position to have, if your a redneck. What your thinking of is democratic socialism not social democracy.
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    Social democracy is a political ideology that considers itself to be a form of reformist democratic socialism. It advocates for a peaceful, evolutionary transition of society from capitalism to socialism.
    Eduard Bernstein was also the founder of the movement and as you might be aware he was a socialist.

    Equal rights could be gained in marriage without direct government involvement in the marriage process. People can decide to have a private contract in marriage or not in my system.

    The pro-life position is about the value of human life and yes that is a great position to have.
    Last edited by Henrin; 11-26-12 at 11:03 PM.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Eduard Bernstein was also the founder of the movement and as you might be aware he was a socialist.

    Equal rights could be gained in marriage without direct government involvement in the marriage process. People can decide to have a private contract in marriage or not in my system.

    The pro-life position is about the value of human life and yes that is a great position to have.
    I guess you for got the part where it the ideology of social democracy changed to it's modern form after the 1940s. It's too bad that isn't what marriage now is it, I also disagree with your definition of marriage. Pro-life is a great position to have as long as you stay far away from my country and don't like women's rights.
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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    I guess you for got the part where it the ideology of social democracy changed to it's modern form after the 1940s.
    Its modern form is what I described.

    It's too bad that isn't what marriage now is it, I also disagree with your definition of marriage.
    I didn't provide you a definition of marriage and the first part of your sentence doesn't make any sense.

    Pro-life is a great position to have as long as you stay far away from my country.
    Yes, that is not really a counter argument, is it?

    Oh and I shouldn't have said Eduard was a socialist since he is still alive and still a socialist.
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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Its modern form is what I described.



    I didn't provide you a definition of marriage and the first part of your sentence doesn't make any sense.



    Yes, that is not really a counter argument, is it?
    No that's what it's old form was, it's new form has no goal of achieving socialism. I don't see the Scandinavian countries becoming socialist do you? You said:
    Equal rights could be gained in marriage without direct government involvement in the marriage process.
    I meant that isn't what marriage is though and to achieve equality you must allow gay marriage. Secondly I believe it is always a woman's right and the pro-life viewpoint makes no sense. Here they are considered looney apparently America hasn't caught up.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    My advice to the party:

    1. Reasonable pro-life positions are fine, but there should be no more Akins in any major race.

    2. People have sex. Get over it.

    3. You can't just look at the small number of people in certain groups and think that means you can write them off or, even worse, use them as scapegoats. For example, gays are a very small minority in this country, but they have family and friends who vote and donate. Republicans are losing a lot of votes by being intolerant.

    4. There are a lot of professionals who should be voting GOP, but are turned off by some of the more extreme rhetoric on the social side. Tone. It. Down.

    5. Appearance, style, and charisma are everything in today's political world. John McCain should never have even been considered for that reason alone. Romney was better, but I think the next nominee should be even stronger in that area.

    6. We cannot be viewed as the anti-science party. In certain local elections in specific regions of the country, creationists and "young Earthers" are going to win and there is really nothing anyone can do about it, but for Pete's sake, the guys running for the big seats need to get with it and have intelligent answers ready when the media asks them about science.

    7. No more Bushes running for President, please. The name is toxic at that level.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    No that's what it's old form was, it's new form has no goal of achieving socialism. I don't see the Scandinavian countries becoming socialist do you?
    I don't believe that is the old form, but if you think it is please feel free to offer up what it is today.

    I meant that isn't what marriage is though and to achieve equality you must allow gay marriage.
    That is allowing gay marriage and marriage by itself has nothing to do with a government contract.

    Secondly I believe it is always a woman's right and the pro-life viewpoint makes no sense. Here they are considered looney apparently America hasn't caught up.
    She has the right to kill her own offspring then?

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    Why should the GOP become lesser liberals? I say they stick it out or go down swinging.

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    Re: Choosing the best GOP national strategy

    I'm in college and everyone I know supports the Dems, for one of two reasons:

    1. Obama is cooler than anyone the Repubs have on the table.
    2. Social issues.

    If the GOP just dumped the Bible-thumping bull**** (speaking as a fairly devout Catholic) and found a national candidate with some charisma, they'd have a LOT more young voters than they do now.
    Statist silliness of the day:
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    All this talk about "dominion over a third person" is libertarianistic goobledy-gook. "dominion over a third person" means that the 3rd person is "controlled", and our govt does not control people.

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