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Do you like the electoral college voting system?

Do you like the electoral college voting system?

  • Yes, I think it serves its purpose very well.

    Votes: 19 33.9%

  • No, I think there are better alternatives.

    Votes: 23 41.1%

  • I think it has legitimate rasoning but could use some reform.

    Votes: 14 25.0%
  • Total voters
    56
RabidAlpaca said:
You do have a point, but you're missing how much keeping it hurts other people even more. Right now, if you're a democrat in Texas, a republican in california or new york, you have no vote whatsoever. You might as well not even go.

How is not having your vote count at all worse than not having the president pander to your state specifically?
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first....if the popular vote is made for the president, the republic of the founders is completely dead.

the presidency already is corrupted, ,because the government is outside the confines of the constitution, and is applying the people with handouts, this make the people vote accordingly, to those people who will give them what they want.

the original way of the electoral college was to give the UNION representation, NOT the people, the people are already represented by the house, and before the 17 th amendment, the senate represented the states.

this gives each, the union, states and the people representation,.....now it is tuned into a representation of the people only....and what is that, (popular government), or democracy, what the founders wanted to avoid at all cost.

does anyone not see, that it is because only the people are getting their voice hear, that it is hurting the rest of america.

Madison is federalist 47 "The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or................. (elective/*voting population), may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. .........*added by me

Madison is saying that if the voting population are the only ones to determine the politicians this nation has for federal office, .....then that is the very definition of tyranny, because power concentrated in dangerous, that is why in republican government power is dispersed, its spread out, so no one, has all the power.

Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, who spoke about the public treasury “becoming a public trough,” cautioning that when voters realize this, they will ‘only send to the government people who will only promise to bring back a bigger piece of the pie.’ However, those founding fathers never imagined it would get to the extent it has today.

Judge Napolitano on Entitlement Explosion: ‘Majority of America No Longer Embraces the Traditions We Were Taught as Children’ | Fox News Insider
 
haymarket said:
Are you harboring the belief that they do now?
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yes they still do, i know its in your mind to destroy everything the founders created, so you can install your own dreams of what america should be to you, but i am fully confident, you will fail, as well as the union if it moves your way,.

because what you have advocated in this whole forum, from what i read, is disaster waiting to happen, i am prepared for such a thing, are you?
 
ernst barkmann said:
yes they still do, i know its in your mind to destroy everything the founders created, so you can install your own dreams of what america should be to you, but i am fully confident, you will fail, as well as the union if it moves your way,.

because what you have advocated in this whole forum, from what i read, is disaster waiting to happen, i am prepared for such a thing, are you?
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
ernst barkmann said:
first....if the popular vote is made for the president, the republic of the founders is completely dead.

the presidency already is corrupted, ,because the government is outside the confines of the constitution, and is applying the people with handouts, this make the people vote accordingly, to those people who will give them what they want.

the original way of the electoral college was to give the UNION representation, NOT the people, the people are already represented by the house, and before the 17 th amendment, the senate represented the states.

this gives each, the union, states and the people representation,.....now it is tuned into a representation of the people only....and what is that, (popular government), or democracy, what the founders wanted to avoid at all cost.

does anyone not see, that it is because only the people are getting their voice hear, that it is hurting the rest of america.

Madison is federalist 47 "The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or................. (elective/*voting population), may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. .........*added by me

Madison is saying that if the voting population are the only ones to determine the politicians this nation has for federal office, .....then that is the very definition of tyranny, because power concentrated in dangerous, that is why in republican government power is dispersed, its spread out, so no one, has all the power.

Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, who spoke about the public treasury “becoming a public trough,” cautioning that when voters realize this, they will ‘only send to the government people who will only promise to bring back a bigger piece of the pie.’ However, those founding fathers never imagined it would get to the extent it has today.

Judge Napolitano on Entitlement Explosion: ‘Majority of America No Longer Embraces the Traditions We Were Taught as Children’ | Fox News Insider
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And I totally get that. Tyranny of the majority is a very real, very serious thing. However, I don't see how having the electoral college somehow fixes that. You would need a different system altogether. (I know you support an indirect election of president, but that's not an option right now, it's electoral college or not)

Of these two, I'd rather have a popular vote than some bastarized popular vote.
 
haymarket said:
I have no idea what you are talking about.
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sure you do, you have expressed your dislike for what the founders created, in other threads, and seek to destroy everything they gave us.

that is why, when i present you with quotes from the founders on subjects we are discussing, you proclaim them as irrelevant, and out of date.
 
I think it is interesting that no one proposes to have the HoR elect the President even though they represent their districts. I would think that was an option when the Constitution was written but yet the electoral college was what resulted. The power in the hands of the state legislatures to decide how electors are selected. Why would we want our state to go along with what any other states do? Experimentation is always best done at the local or state level. Unfortunately everyone seems to want to experiment at the federal level where mistakes are magnified.
 
ernst barkmann said:
sure you do, you have expressed your dislike for what the founders created, in other threads, and seek to destroy everything they gave us.

that is why, when i present you with quotes from the founders on subjects we are discussing, you proclaim them as irrelevant, and out of date.
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Do you understand the difference between a couple of things and the term EVERYTHING?

As to the Founders, they were men... just like the rest of mankind. They were not gods or saints or angels.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
And I totally get that. Tyranny of the majority is a very real, very serious thing. However, I don't see how having the electoral college somehow fixes that. You would need a different system altogether. (I know you support an indirect election of president, but that's not an option right now, it's electoral college or not)

Of these two, I'd rather have a popular vote than some bastarized popular vote.
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i am going to say your right, that the system is corrupt, and america of the founders, is not returning..........(i do know this)

but just like the Prophets of the bible who preached of Israel's downfall hundreds years before it happened, so am i doing the same thing.

many people believe in their minds what the things they are doing is making things better for themselves and america , it is not, it is taking america down a path of destruction, and its not going to stop.

the founders warned us, not to do what we are doing, and they were men of great vision, ...... the men, with less vision today are winning, because people are not interested in truth and reason, but only, "what will i get out of this"
 
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haymarket said:
Do you understand the difference between a couple of things and the term EVERYTHING?

As to the Founders, they were men... just like the rest of mankind. They were not gods or saints or angels.
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they were also the men, who gave us a nation in less than 200 years, that achieved so much.

you have shown contempt for the founders, and what they believed, you seek the courts to give you reason for what you want.....and that is sad.

because your going to be disappointed, with your future.
 
ernst barkmann said:
they were also the men, who gave us a nation in less than 200 years, that achieved so much.

you have shown contempt for the founders, and what they believed, you seek the courts to give you reason for what you want.....and that is sad.

because your going to be disappointed, with your future.
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Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. What is this you seek the courts stuff?
 
I'd prefer a Parliamentary system where the Chief Administrator is appointed by the Legislature. We could scrap the Presidential Election and all the hyperbole and hubris that goes along with it altogether. I'm certain that donors could find much better uses for all those campaign funds. :shrug:
 
haymarket said:
Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. What is this you seek the courts stuff?
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i am going to para-phrase something i already posted, from a great thinking man, named James Madison

IF the (voting population) are the only ones to determine the politicians, this nation has for its federal offices, president ,senator and congressmen,, .....then that is the very definition of tyranny!

instead of listening to the men who created our government, we listen to men, who do their own interpretation of it.
 
Hello everybody! :2wave:

I voted for the reform option on the poll. I believe that the winner take all version in use by most of the states does not accurately reflect the opinions of the people. I think a look into some of the suggested models made in previous posts (or those in use in the two states that are not winner take all) could go a long way towards making the E.C. more representative of the popular vote and would not require an amendment to the Constitution.
 
Needs a little reform. I think Rocket's idea of using congressional districts is perfect actually. Win the district you get those electors, lose it, the winner gets them. Simple.
 
I voted "No, I think there are better alternatives. "

Id like to see a direct vote with 3 main parties minimum that are nominated.

Id like 1st, 2nd and 3rd place to go president, vice(leader of a house) and leader of a house

id also like it so that representative and senate terms match and be off set of the president elective and that a majority is NOT allowed

of course these takes some more work than just what im sayign here but thats whay I would like
 
I read that one reasons the electoral college was put into place was to keep a single tyrant, who was smooth and slick and a very good confidence man from wooing most of the population to vote for him. Shrug, I doubt that has any validity, but it could feasibly happen today couldnt it ???
Look at the money being spent, tv ads influencing the populace whether they are true or not. Yes, a con man can get to be president and could get to be president with the electoral system...but the electoral system is a buffer no matter how small.
Talk about dumb voters and voters being paid to vote...have a straight up or down vote and see the shannigans that start.
 
It is an awful, awful thing.



 
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