View Poll Results: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if popular vote is ever created for the president, when he and the opposition, will never go the many states during the campaign....states like wy, nd,sd, mt,

    so those people will get no representation, and have a right to not pay any taxes.
    Brilliant logical deduction. So since neither political candidate managed to visit my state during the campaign, I'm not required to pay any taxes?

    Maybe that makes sense to the Waffen SS guy, but not to most rational human beings.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Brilliant logical deduction. So since neither political candidate managed to visit my state during the campaign, I'm not required to pay any taxes?

    Maybe that makes sense to the Waffen SS guy, but not to most rational human beings.
    if the college is gone, then why would anyone campaign in state like i mentioned.

    all the candidates will do is visit the large cities of america, for the the popular vote, there would be no reason to go in the the heartland of America.

    since the president or the other man running for president, would show no effort to seek my vote, and what i believe in.

    then i am getting representation, why do i pay taxes, since they don't care about me?

    as far as the last line, no wonder no one takes you seriously, a very angry man you are
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What makes you think it is any different now in terms of campaign stops and visits?

    You should read up on the 1960 presidential campaign. Nixon made a promise at the GOP Convention to personally campaign in every state in the union. And God bless him - he kept his word. And when Nixon was in Minot appearing before 600 people, JFK was in Florida speaking before tens of thousands and getting local media play before millions. When Nixon was in Casper talking to a small hall of business people, JFK was in Houston appearing before tens of thousands and the resulting media blitz.

    Get the picture?

    And on election day, quite a few of those little places voted for Nixon while Kennedy had to settle for the bigger states.

    JFK won.

    OH - and they had the electoral college then too.
    because the president will only stay in highly populated areas.

    so i am giving you the simple reason why.....people running for president are not going to spend big money traveling, to the small towns of america.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if the college is gone, then why would anyone campaign in state like i mentioned.

    all the candidates will do is visit the large cities of america, for the the popular vote, there would be no reason to go in the the heartland of America.

    since the president or the other man running for president, would show no effort to seek my vote, and what i believe in.

    then i am not getting representation, why do i pay taxes, since they don't care and me?

    as far as the last, line, no wonder no one takes you seriously.
    You do have a point, but you're missing how much keeping it hurts other people even more. Right now, if you're a democrat in Texas, a republican in california or new york, you have no vote whatsoever. You might as well not even go.

    How is not having your vote count at all worse than not having the president pander to your state specifically?
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    because the president will only stay in highly populated areas.

    so i am giving you the simple reason why.....people running for president are not going to spend big money traveling, to the small towns of america.
    Are you harboring the belief that they do now?
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You do have a point, but you're missing how much keeping it hurts other people even more. Right now, if you're a democrat in Texas, a republican in california or new york, you have no vote whatsoever. You might as well not even go.

    How is not having your vote count at all worse than not having the president pander to your state specifically?
    first....if the popular vote is made for the president, the republic of the founders is completely dead.

    the presidency already is corrupted, ,because the government is outside the confines of the constitution, and is applying the people with handouts, this make the people vote accordingly, to those people who will give them what they want.

    the original way of the electoral college was to give the UNION representation, NOT the people, the people are already represented by the house, and before the 17 th amendment, the senate represented the states.

    this gives each, the union, states and the people representation,.....now it is tuned into a representation of the people only....and what is that, (popular government), or democracy, what the founders wanted to avoid at all cost.

    does anyone not see, that it is because only the people are getting their voice hear, that it is hurting the rest of america.

    Madison is federalist 47 "The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or................. (elective/*voting population), may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. .........*added by me

    Madison is saying that if the voting population are the only ones to determine the politicians this nation has for federal office, .....then that is the very definition of tyranny, because power concentrated in dangerous, that is why in republican government power is dispersed, its spread out, so no one, has all the power.

    Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, who spoke about the public treasury “becoming a public trough,” cautioning that when voters realize this, they will ‘only send to the government people who will only promise to bring back a bigger piece of the pie.’ However, those founding fathers never imagined it would get to the extent it has today.

    Judge Napolitano on Entitlement Explosion: ‘Majority of America No Longer Embraces the Traditions We Were Taught as Children’ | Fox News Insider

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are you harboring the belief that they do now?

    yes they still do, i know its in your mind to destroy everything the founders created, so you can install your own dreams of what america should be to you, but i am fully confident, you will fail, as well as the union if it moves your way,.

    because what you have advocated in this whole forum, from what i read, is disaster waiting to happen, i am prepared for such a thing, are you?

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yes they still do, i know its in your mind to destroy everything the founders created, so you can install your own dreams of what america should be to you, but i am fully confident, you will fail, as well as the union if it moves your way,.

    because what you have advocated in this whole forum, from what i read, is disaster waiting to happen, i am prepared for such a thing, are you?
    I have no idea what you are talking about.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    first....if the popular vote is made for the president, the republic of the founders is completely dead.

    the presidency already is corrupted, ,because the government is outside the confines of the constitution, and is applying the people with handouts, this make the people vote accordingly, to those people who will give them what they want.

    the original way of the electoral college was to give the UNION representation, NOT the people, the people are already represented by the house, and before the 17 th amendment, the senate represented the states.

    this gives each, the union, states and the people representation,.....now it is tuned into a representation of the people only....and what is that, (popular government), or democracy, what the founders wanted to avoid at all cost.

    does anyone not see, that it is because only the people are getting their voice hear, that it is hurting the rest of america.

    Madison is federalist 47 "The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or................. (elective/*voting population), may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. .........*added by me

    Madison is saying that if the voting population are the only ones to determine the politicians this nation has for federal office, .....then that is the very definition of tyranny, because power concentrated in dangerous, that is why in republican government power is dispersed, its spread out, so no one, has all the power.

    Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, who spoke about the public treasury “becoming a public trough,” cautioning that when voters realize this, they will ‘only send to the government people who will only promise to bring back a bigger piece of the pie.’ However, those founding fathers never imagined it would get to the extent it has today.

    Judge Napolitano on Entitlement Explosion: ‘Majority of America No Longer Embraces the Traditions We Were Taught as Children’ | Fox News Insider
    And I totally get that. Tyranny of the majority is a very real, very serious thing. However, I don't see how having the electoral college somehow fixes that. You would need a different system altogether. (I know you support an indirect election of president, but that's not an option right now, it's electoral college or not)

    Of these two, I'd rather have a popular vote than some bastarized popular vote.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    sure you do, you have expressed your dislike for what the founders created, in other threads, and seek to destroy everything they gave us.

    that is why, when i present you with quotes from the founders on subjects we are discussing, you proclaim them as irrelevant, and out of date.

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