View Poll Results: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well the gov did not appoint the senators, it was the state legislative .....body.

    by appointing a senators, they must do as that legislative body says, and this protects the state from federal over reach of power.

    senators were appointed because government was structured that way on propose in the constitution, it was part of the check and balances, and to prevent democracy.

    Federal overreach would happen anyway. The two party systemis so entrenched that if one party wanted the overreach their people would vote fot it. I don't know that the Founders saw how much power the 2 party system would have. They assumed that people would always appoint the best person, but it always comes down to party.


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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Federal overreach would happen anyway. The two party systemis so entrenched that if one party wanted the overreach their people would vote fot it. I don't know that the Founders saw how much power the 2 party system would have. They assumed that people would always appoint the best person, but it always comes down to party.
    i agree, parties hurt america ,its people, because they divide the people, ...Washington said we should never have parties.

    the founders so much wanted the people to be educated and civic minded, but constructed a government to prevent the worst in man, from becoming to powerful, but unfortunately, those checks and balances have been removed, and it will be our demise.

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    The electoral college has removed a vast amount of the power of my vote, even rendering it virtually meaningless. Needless to say I am against the electoral college.

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    The electoral college has removed a vast amount of the power of my vote, even rendering it virtually meaningless. Needless to say I am against the electoral college.
    how has it done that?

    the electoral college is an indirect vote by you, not a direct vote, that is the way the founders created it, so NOT to give us popular government.

    the electoral college is states voting for the president, not people, per the way the founders designed it.....this give the union representation...not people.

    but it has turned into more of a popular vote, because government is outside of the constitution, and brides people for their voting by offering them something.

    this is what has destroyed the electoral college...and made it useless.

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    Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have not mentioned it nor do I plan to. However, apparently it is indeed your next strawman.
    Sorry, I had assumed you were for absolute democratic vote where everyone's vote is equal. If you consider that a strawman, fine. I judge it differently.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    If I vote, and it is not the popular vote for my state, my vote is useless. If the elections were decided by popular consensus, the worth of my vote would be invariably one.

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Abolish the electoral college. One person, one vote. Let's shift the setup so that the same four or five states are not the only ones that matter. With a direct popular vote, any swing voter in any state from Massachusetts to Utah can have a significant impact on the final outcome.

    If that is too much, then I like the compromise of allocating electoral votes proportionately to that state's popular vote.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Abolish the electoral college. One person, one vote. Let's shift the setup so that the same four or five states are not the only ones that matter. With a direct popular vote, any swing voter in any state from Massachusetts to Utah can have a significant impact on the final outcome.

    If that is too much, then I like the compromise of allocating electoral votes proportionately to that state's popular vote.
    if popular vote is ever created for the president, when he and the opposition, will never go the many states during the campaign....states like wy, nd,sd, mt,

    so those people will get no representation, and have a right to not pay any taxes.

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if popular vote is ever created for the president, when he and the opposition, will never go the many states during the campaign....states like wy, nd,sd, mt,

    so those people will get no representation, and have a right to not pay any taxes.
    What makes you think it is any different now in terms of campaign stops and visits?

    You should read up on the 1960 presidential campaign. Nixon made a promise at the GOP Convention to personally campaign in every state in the union. And God bless him - he kept his word. And when Nixon was in Minot appearing before 600 people, JFK was in Florida speaking before tens of thousands and getting local media play before millions. When Nixon was in Casper talking to a small hall of business people, JFK was in Houston appearing before tens of thousands and the resulting media blitz.

    Get the picture?

    And on election day, quite a few of those little places voted for Nixon while Kennedy had to settle for the bigger states.

    JFK won.

    OH - and they had the electoral college then too.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I wouldn't go so far as to go by each county having one vote. The population centers should have more say because there's more people.

    What I would support is to do it by Congressional district (which are supposed to be roughly equal in population) with the statewide winner getting the 2 remaining votes.

    Unfortunately, none of how the vote is actually split is in the Constitution. That's all by state. So we'd need 51 different laws changing it. I don't see that happening, as both parties benefit from winner take all, or at least have benefited from it. So they're likely to keep it as is.
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