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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    >implying that that has changed or ever will change
    Even if we are not educated, we have the mass media that allows us to know the candidates, not just go n and blindly vote.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your premise fails right out of the gate. Popular vote is NOT mob rule. It is how we elect every public official in America. MOB RULE is a right wing euphemism designed to scare the elite who feel they need extraordinary protection against the wishes of the American people. The word MOB is suppose to conjure up images of roaming bands of cretins armed with pitchforks and torches, perhaps today guns and other weaponry, rampaging through our streets in wild rioting doing their worst to the innocent. It is a dishonest term intentually used to commit intellectual fraud of the worst sort.


    There is no MOB who elects state governors. There is no MOB which elects state senators or representatives. There is no MOB which elects members of Congress. There is no MOB which elects mayors and councils and school boards. All these people go through a peaceful, organized and systematic election process and the winner of the peoples vote gets the office to represent the people.

    Yes, many of the sainted Founders were indeed part of the elite of that time two and one-quarter centuries ago. They wanted to protect what they had and saw the Electoral College as a final bulwark against the will of the people should it come to that. That reality is NOT something to trumpet or be proud of. It is a sad historical reality that we should be ashamed of just like the found a way to continue the practice of slavery or treat females as little better than something above farm animals.

    The Electoral College may be the last vestige of protecting privilege and power for the American elites and we should admit that and crush and flush it ASAP.
    So you would like that the state of California would pretty much elect a president every four years? That is what we would get.

    We need to reform the system, but true democracy is not the way to go. If we went to strict popular vote, then why would a voter in Idaho even feel the need to cast a ballot when they know the population in California will trump all the votes?

    Each state should be represented in presidential elections.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    So you would like that the state of California would pretty much elect a president every four years? That is what we would get.

    We need to reform the system, but true democracy is not the way to go. If we went to strict popular vote, then why would a voter in Idaho even feel the need to cast a ballot when they know the population in California will trump all the votes?

    Each state should be represented in presidential elections.
    It would be one person, one vote. An Idahoan's vote would count just as much as a Californian's.

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    It would be one person, one vote. An Idahoan's vote would count just as much as a Californian's.
    Yes but when you have a population of around 37 million people compared to 1.5 million people...you see that big difference?

    Strict popular vote would ensure that Californians would pretty much dictate presidential elections.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    So what? Should the vote of someone in a smaller state have more value than one of a larger state? Every vote should have equal value. Right now they don't.

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    I agree the system should be changed. Also I am tired of hearing Ohio, Iowa, and NH deciding anything.

    Message to Ohio.....We gonna do all we can to make sure ya azz aint deciding shiznit anymore. Time for Ohio, Iowa and NH to hit the back of the Bus and STFU!

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    So you would like that the state of California would pretty much elect a president every four years? That is what we would get.

    We need to reform the system, but true democracy is not the way to go. If we went to strict popular vote, then why would a voter in Idaho even feel the need to cast a ballot when they know the population in California will trump all the votes?

    Each state should be represented in presidential elections.
    I have no idea what you are talking about with that California remark. Could you please explain how a state with about 11% of the US population would control an entire national election?
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    So what? Should the vote of someone in a smaller state have more value than one of a larger state? Every vote should have equal value. Right now they don't.
    Its even worse. California has 55 electoral votes for a population of nearly 38 million people. Wyoming has 3 electoral votes for a population of nearly 570,000 people.

    Break that down into electoral votes per person and we find that in California one EV goes for about 690,000 people. However, in Wyoming, one electoral votes accounts for only 190,000 people.

    What that means is that the voter in Wyoming has three and a half times the actual weighted voting power of the voter in California.

    That is a gross violation of the sacred American principle of one person - one vote. Sadly, that principle does not apply to the electoral college. And that is one reason why we should get rid of the relic of a time when we protected elites at the expense of everyone else.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about with that California remark. Could you please explain how a state with about 11% of the US population would control an entire national election?
    11% is by far and away the most in our nation. The next state (Texas) is 8.04% of the population followed by New York which is 6.19%. California won Obama the popular vote during this election. 3% higher population makes a hell of a difference when we're talking about millions of people. Being a west coast state means that by the end of the election day that state would be the largest one yet to be counted with 11% of the population. 11% is nothing to sneeze at.

    Romney had a lead in the popular vote before California was counted...look what happened afterwards. Obama got a 3 million advantage.

    Now I'm not saying our current system is good because it isn't by any means. However, strict popular vote is no better.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    But really - so what? Why should the vote of one American be any different in weight than the vote of another American regardless of what state they may reside in? People do not vote for a presidential candidate because they live in a certain state. Why should one EC vote in Wyoming be worth three and a half times what one EC vote from California is worth?
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