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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Thanks, Bodhi -- I wasn't aware it had ever been done. I hate it more.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Being intellectually objective as possible the only justification to keep using the Electoral College would be to give one side an unfair advantage over another if and when the votes aren't there. One man, one vote is the most fair, IMHO.

    1. Scrap the Electoral College
    2. Implement the instant runoff

    Possibly up for consideration:

    - Give state legislatures some say, some way independent of popular votes; 1 state vote per state legislature.
    - Lift the band on out of market TV so all Americans can have access to every city's political TV ads and news coverage or at the very least local newscasts. Lexington can watch Los Angeles TV, New Yorkers can watch Little Rock TV.
    - Since its a Constitutional adjustment, go ahead and fix campaign finance reform at the same time. And while we're at it, corporate and union lobbying too so that wealthy and powerful interests often with foreign participation won't be able to pour money into our election outcomes exploiting their unfair wealth advantage.
    - One national ballot format with an online verification so each voter can verify how they voted and fill a complaint if their vote has been altered. Any American can vote in person at any library or polling place nationally sending their local choices back to where they live as if this were the twenty-first century. No more confusing butterfly, hanging chad, ballots, etc. Early voting everywhere.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Being intellectually objective as possible the only justification to keep using the Electoral College would be to give one side an unfair advantage over another...
    That's dumb. It's like the senate, a matter of federalism.

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Get rid of it. It was implemented because back in the day there were nearly no educated voters, there was no mass media, and essentially the biggest states had the best chance because they had the most people to vote for their hometown guy. Now we all know that we have means of becoming informed and we are not just going to vote for the guy we know. There is no need for it.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    We must keep the electoral college.

    If we switched to the popular vote, states like Montana and Wyoming would be completely ignored during the presidential election.

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    Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Another thread about how people want something changed and no discussion how they propose to get it changed. Face it, it will not changed in your lifetime and probably never.

    The founding fathers who were smart enough to know that there should be a way to change it but that it should only happen with broad support.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Get rid of it. It was implemented because back in the day there were nearly no educated voters, there was no mass media, and essentially the biggest states had the best chance because they had the most people to vote for their hometown guy. Now we all know that we have means of becoming informed and we are not just going to vote for the guy we know. There is no need for it.
    >implying that that has changed or ever will change
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    All this talk about "dominion over a third person" is libertarianistic goobledy-gook. "dominion over a third person" means that the 3rd person is "controlled", and our govt does not control people.

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigchief View Post
    Here's a few extreme scenarios I came up with. Granted this would never happen, but it's within the realm of possibility with our current system. Also I'm sure that my numbers aren't 100% percent accurate but they're close enough to give you the general idea why I'm opposed to the electoral college.

    Scenario #1
    11 states vote for the winner with a 1 vote victory in each state. Half of their voting pop. in 2012 was roughly 32 million.
    (California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas)

    39 states and the District of Columbia vote 100% for the loser. Their voting pop. in 2012 was roughly 56 million + all the people in the other 11 states that voted for the loser = 88 million.

    32 million win with 270 electoral votes
    88 million lose with 268 electoral votes

    Scenario #2
    39 states and D.C. vote for the winner with a 1 vote victory in each state. Half of their voting pop. 28 million.

    11 states vote 100% for the loser. Their voting pop. 64 million + all the people in the other 39 states and D.C. that voted for the loser = 92 million.
    (CA,FL,GA,IL,MI,NY,NC,OH,PA,TX, and Washington in exchange for New Jersey)

    28 million win with 270 electoral votes
    92 million lose with 268 electoral votes

    Scenario #3
    11 states vote 100% for the winner. voting pop.= 64 million (270 electoral votes)
    (CA,FL,GA,IL,MI,NJ,NY,NC,OH,PA,TX)

    39 states and D.C. vote 100% for the loser. voting pop.= 56 million (268 electoral votes)

    Scenario #4
    39 states and D.C. vote 100% for the winner. voting pop.= 56 million (270 electoral votes)

    11 states vote 100% for the loser. voting pop.= 64 million (268 electoral votes)
    (CA,FL,GA,IL,MI,NY,NC,OH,PA,TX,WA)
    I support the existing electoral collage system because it is the best way to represent the will of the people while protecting the voice of the individual states.

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Popular vote winner should get elected. Flush the Electoral College.
    Popular-vote aka mob-rule is exactly what the electoral collage was made to defend against.

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Gore would have won without electoral college. We wouldn't have been in Iraq also so sure.
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