View Poll Results: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

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  • Yes, I think it serves its purpose very well.

    20 32.79%
  • No, I think there are better alternatives.

    26 42.62%
  • I think it has legitimate rasoning but could use some reform.

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    I've never understood how individuals in smaller states believe they would get shafted if we went by popular vote.

    In a popular vote system, each vote is equal to any other vote.

    Do they believe that because they live in a smaller state, they should have more say in who becomes president than a person from a bigger state?

    I truly just don't understand why they would be upset...
    Because Brooklyn would have more say than their entire state, candidates would go to, spend money in, and advocate for policies that favor Brooklyn because it is a more efficient use of resources. Losing the Tri-State area would get you more votes than winning wide swaths of the terrain elsewhere so elections would focus even more on urban voters and issues than they already do IMHO.

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    NO...... popular vote for senator of president, that is democracy and the founders hated democracy.

    go back to indirect vote of the people...not direct.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The vast majority of the sainted Founders have been dead for two centuries now. Their world is long gone never to return.
    that is true haymarket, but they created the government the way they did ,for a REASON.

    if you give people popular vote, that is democracy, and the founders wanted to avoid that type of government, because of the democracies of the past, and they have failed.

    they did not want America to fail, so they give us a constitutional republic based on law, not the will of the people

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is true haymarket, but they created the government the way they did ,for a REASON.
    yes and the reason was it fit rather well into the world they lived in.

    We no longer live in that world.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yes and the reason was it fit rather well into the world they lived in.

    We no longer live in that world.

    reason, remember that word.

    it was to prevent the senators from, being self serving on their own, meaning stops them from being lobbied by entities.

    people are complaining that our politicians are bought off, WELL, their is the problem, senators listen to lobbyist, rich and powerful corporations, and anyone who has money.

    before the 17th, the senate had to vote the way the state wanted him to vote, he could not listen to lobbyist, because the state had power of the senator, so as to protect the interest of the state.

    after the 17th , you see, senators being bought by outside groups of special interest, and you start seeing senators serving for long periods of time.

    senators like Robert Byrd, of 51 years, woulds have never been reappointed to the senate that long by a state legislative body, these were built in term limits.

    states have no protection from the federal government anymore, and the government is imposing things on them, they have to pay for....obamacare.

    because people are selfish , they when voting for their senator today, vote for what is good for them, and not the state......this kind of thinking is popular government, and that kind of government will destroy itself in time.

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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    I work in the state legislature. Please do not attempt to educate me about who can be bought and who cannot be bought.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigchief View Post
    Here's a few extreme scenarios I came up with. Granted this would never happen, but it's within the realm of possibility with our current system. Also I'm sure that my numbers aren't 100% percent accurate but they're close enough to give you the general idea why I'm opposed to the electoral college.

    Scenario #1
    11 states vote for the winner with a 1 vote victory in each state. Half of their voting pop. in 2012 was roughly 32 million.
    (California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas)

    39 states and the District of Columbia vote 100% for the loser. Their voting pop. in 2012 was roughly 56 million + all the people in the other 11 states that voted for the loser = 88 million.

    32 million win with 270 electoral votes
    88 million lose with 268 electoral votes

    Scenario #2
    39 states and D.C. vote for the winner with a 1 vote victory in each state. Half of their voting pop. 28 million.

    11 states vote 100% for the loser. Their voting pop. 64 million + all the people in the other 39 states and D.C. that voted for the loser = 92 million.
    (CA,FL,GA,IL,MI,NY,NC,OH,PA,TX, and Washington in exchange for New Jersey)

    28 million win with 270 electoral votes
    92 million lose with 268 electoral votes

    Scenario #3
    11 states vote 100% for the winner. voting pop.= 64 million (270 electoral votes)
    (CA,FL,GA,IL,MI,NJ,NY,NC,OH,PA,TX)

    39 states and D.C. vote 100% for the loser. voting pop.= 56 million (268 electoral votes)

    Scenario #4
    39 states and D.C. vote 100% for the winner. voting pop.= 56 million (270 electoral votes)

    11 states vote 100% for the loser. voting pop.= 64 million (268 electoral votes)
    (CA,FL,GA,IL,MI,NY,NC,OH,PA,TX,WA)
    I don't like the fact that the electoral college doesn't even have to vote the way their state voted. I'm not sure that's ever happened, but it could. They can choose to do something else. I also think the votes should be split depending on the popular vote in any particular state.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    The system definitely needs reformed, I think instead of by state they should do it by county even.
    I don't like the system and it MUST be reformed. I was thinking this too. If you look at CA for example. The population centers and liberal coast livers vote D and almost the entire rest of the state votes R. All of those millions living in the heartland of CA have their vote count for nothing every single year. It is pathetic. The system is horrible. Voting by county would solve much of the issue. I have a friend from Ark. His vote never counts as he is a D. Just makes people not want to vote.
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't like the fact that the electoral college doesn't even have to vote the way their state voted. I'm not sure that's ever happened, but it could. They can choose to do something else. I also think the votes should be split depending on the popular vote in any particular state.
    It has happened at least three times that I know of and the last was the Washington DC electoral voter (they have three) that abstained her vote negating a million or so voters votes. Unbelievable!!
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    Re: Do you like the electoral college voting system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It has happened at least three times that I know of and the last was the Washington DC electoral voter (they have three) that abstained her vote negating a million or so voters votes. Unbelievable!!
    Thanks, Bodhi -- I wasn't aware it had ever been done. I hate it more.
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