View Poll Results: Are You Interested In More Nuclear Power?

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Thread: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Several things. Oil is traded on International markets. Iraq was independent. Sold to anybody and sold oil in Euros. An influential group (gov'ts want wars, not people, Eisenhower) initiates a war against this rogue oil owner. War over, nobody steals the oil but it is now in the Centralized Distribution Network and those players will now make perhaps $.05 per gallon on the oil coming from Iraq in perpetuity. That Centralized Distribution Network is exactly like the Electricity grid that is Centralized Distribution Network. Ergo, if you can plug a new energy source into your distribution network (think grid) you can realize a small profit on each kilowatt that moves through that grid. Now you know what makes Nukes desirable. It is the continuous flow of kilowatts/money into an existing monopolistic distribution network. The Network collects taxes on each kilowatt and pays its' partners known as governments. Genuine renewable energy does not produce into this network or pay taxes to gov'ts, so it is fighting an uphill battle to get gov'ts to sponsor genuine renewable energy programs. The gov'ts love to sponsor projects that plug in to the existing monopolistic distribution network like nuclear power plants, huge wind generators and acres and acres of solar arrays because they return tax monies to these entities. I am attaching a link as relates to current Nuclear Power shenanighans by the regulators. The regulators are supposed to be working for Public Safety.

    Whistleblower: Nuclear Disaster in America Is More Likely Than the Public Is Aware of | Alternet

    "The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) has known at least since 1996 that flooding danger from upstream dam failure was a more serious threat than the agency would publicly admit. The NRC failed from 1996 until 2011 to assess the threat even internally. In July 2011, the NRC staff completed a report finding “that external flooding due to upstream dam failure poses a larger than expected risk to plants and public safety ” [emphasis added] but the NRC did not make the 41-page report public. "
    Well, you're going off in a different direction than what I intended. You're discussing the "administration" of energy. For me, I'm just interested in making our energy problems "domestic problems," rather than the constant international conflagrations that we're constantly pulled into. I would be good for people to have their own power generation, like solar panels on every home. I don't see how this could be 100% reliable, but it could at least reduce the needed size of a public grid. If you haven't already, have a look at what's happening in Germany. The "big four" energy companies over there are dragging their feet in adding renewable energy, and the citizens of many districts are rebelling. They insist on 100% renewables and a lot of them are putting up their own power generation. Kind of interesting to read about.
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    And even that only exist because we refuse and the government has blocked the adoption of technologies that exist today, that would almost totally eliminate, if not actually eliminate the need for Crude Oil.
    True, but any talk of "energy independence" in the next 10-20 years necessarily includes oil independence which could not exist and even if it would would be devastating to the US economy.
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    True, but any talk of "energy independence" in the next 10-20 years necessarily includes oil independence which could not exist and even if it would would be devastating to the US economy.
    How so? We replace transportation with other forms of transportation. And to do a large part of it, we would have to increase our power grid, which means jobs in that sector. The segment that would lose would be the oil industry. Adding transmission lines needed to run electric rail would also create jobs needed to maintain the system. Creating actual efficient and usable mass transit based upon electric motors would also add jobs.

    No, the only segment of our economy that would suffer would be the oil industry, and most, if not all, of that would be replaced with the need for workers to carry out and maintain the new systems.

    The sad part is that we could start the transformation today, without any new technology that doesn't exist today. The only real thing that needs changing is government regulation stopping the advancements and a change in public attitude towards some technologies. How fast it happens of course depends on how much investment can be raised to do it.
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Transitioning from gas-powered cars to electric cars would take decades alone. That doesn't even take into account everywhere else that oil is used. Oil is going to be a significant part of the US and global economy for quite a long time.
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    True, but any talk of "energy independence" in the next 10-20 years necessarily includes oil independence which could not exist and even if it would would be devastating to the US economy.
    US energy independence could not exist within 20 years. It would probably require 30 years. That doesn't mean it's an impossibility, just a long term goal.
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Transitioning from gas-powered cars to electric cars would take decades alone. That doesn't even take into account everywhere else that oil is used. Oil is going to be a significant part of the US and global economy for quite a long time.
    Why electric cars? Why not hydrogen cars? Sure, the fuel cell technology is not matured or available, but then it is only need to create hydrogen on demand. Do we create gas on demand in our vehicles? No, we store it. We could do the same with Hydrogen. The material technology is available today to make safe hydrogen tanks for vehicles. During transfer, it is not any more dangerous than propane/natural gas. We have natural gas and propane vehicles, any collision that would cause the explosion of hydrogen would also cause the explosion of NG and propane. Safe filling is also in practice today, the rest of us might have to follow Oregon's example and bring back station attendants, but, hey, more jobs.

    NG faces the challenge of getting a distribution network up and running for automobiles. Since Hydrogen is not a carbon based fuel, like NG, there should be a lot more investment to get it up and running. And the really cool thing is, it would take very little modification of existing motors to run it.
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    US energy independence could not exist within 20 years. It would probably require 30 years. That doesn't mean it's an impossibility, just a long term goal.
    With the proper investments, it could be done in less than 10 and in as little as four to five years. And that is using existing technologies.
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    With the proper investments, it could be done in less than 10 and in as little as four to five years. And that is using existing technologies.
    The largest area where EVs would help us is in personal vehicles. But you can't "force" anyone into buying them (at least, I wouldn't want that). So my guess is that it would take roughly 30 years to win over enough hearts and minds and get most of the cars on the road electric. Yes, we technically could do it in 10 years, if we pushed people into EVs at gunpoint, but I don't think that's the right way to do it.
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    I'll tolerate any form of energy as long as it's efficient and easy on my wallet.

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    The largest area where EVs would help us is in personal vehicles. But you can't "force" anyone into buying them (at least, I wouldn't want that). So my guess is that it would take roughly 30 years to win over enough hearts and minds and get most of the cars on the road electric. Yes, we technically could do it in 10 years, if we pushed people into EVs at gunpoint, but I don't think that's the right way to do it.
    You are only taking in EVs as a replacement for gasoline. You are leaving out hydrogen and bio-fuels. EVs are dependent upon battery technologies which have yet to reach a practical usage level.

    EVs are a future technology, not truly an existing one. I do not know the current state of nuclear batteries, if it is developed enough, then we might be able to produce practical use EVs now.
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