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Thread: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    What do you mean by, "LOCAL?" If you're just talking about solar cells on individual rooftops, that's fine and even a good idea. But such setups cannot support their power needs at night unless they overbuild (more cost) and add in storage (even more cost). A large solar plant can afford storage and is thereby better able to support the community. Individuals with solar can reduce demand from the grid, but you would still need a large central plant that is primary power. And even that large solar plant should have nuclear or NG as a backbone for when the primary solar plant is getting enough power.
    No that's not correct. When the home envelope is correctly designed, it leaks zero energy. That means it does not lose heat in cold climates or absorb heat in hot climates. Night lighting should be LEDs averaging 1.5 watts per each. Battery storage is adequate. For nighttime air circulation, it is possible that a one horsepower generator might be added to drive a 3/4 horsepower motor. It is overkill to want to use a multi million horsepower central source, always cranked up, always on, even when demand is reduced. Nothing is more backward than to think Centralized Distribution Network for power. That is the problem. Although it has built a wonderful country, the realities of CO2 and Global Warming must turn our direction to true efficiency not demand overkill. Solar and wind are only efficient locally and I do mean locally on citizen occupied homes. I will repeat something I have said often. When energy becomes LOCAL, two entities are cut out of the dollar profit loop. That is the Utility directly affected and that Utilities partner that it collects and distributes tax money to, the Tax collecting entity, whether it be local, state, or, Federal. That is the bottleneck in solar implementation. When you cut somebody out of the money loop, they are likely to talk bad about you and not help you. Pretty simple.

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    No that's not correct. When the home envelope is correctly designed, it leaks zero energy. That means it does not lose heat in cold climates or absorb heat in hot climates. Night lighting should be LEDs averaging 1.5 watts per each. Battery storage is adequate. For nighttime air circulation, it is possible that a one horsepower generator might be added to drive a 3/4 horsepower motor. It is overkill to want to use a multi million horsepower central source, always cranked up, always on, even when demand is reduced. Nothing is more backward than to think Centralized Distribution Network for power. That is the problem. Although it has built a wonderful country, the realities of CO2 and Global Warming must turn our direction to true efficiency not demand overkill. Solar and wind are only efficient locally and I do mean locally on citizen occupied homes. I will repeat something I have said often. When energy becomes LOCAL, two entities are cut out of the dollar profit loop. That is the Utility directly affected and that Utilities partner that it collects and distributes tax money to, the Tax collecting entity, whether it be local, state, or, Federal. That is the bottleneck in solar implementation. When you cut somebody out of the money loop, they are likely to talk bad about you and not help you. Pretty simple.
    I agree that the power grid should be modernized. But batteries are just as wasteful as using a centralized power source. And its impossible to actually design and upgrade every house to meet what you consider efficient standards. How would we implement such a requirement? Would we monitor privately owned houses tell them to turn off something or close a window?

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I agree that the power grid should be modernized. But batteries are just as wasteful as using a centralized power source. And its impossible to actually design and upgrade every house to meet what you consider efficient standards. How would we implement such a requirement? Would we monitor privately owned houses tell them to turn off something or close a window?
    It needs to be a serious National program to succeed. This would be a program that creates local jobs and a permanent infrastructure. Once initiated, it becomes self supporting at the expense of the Utilities and lost taxes. It also is the serious step toward mitigation of Global Warming and CO2 in the atmosphere. The current energy status quo can initiate wars to maintain its continuity and imagery is presented to make us believe it is logical and morally right. Horse puckey! It just ain't so. Do not confuse implementation with enforcement. I do not see great loss in nickel/iron batteries. Just a minor note. In the current configuration, windmills are about 8 times (or more) as efficient when located at the end user's house with battery storage.

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It needs to be a serious National program to succeed. This would be a program that creates local jobs and a permanent infrastructure. Once initiated, it becomes self supporting at the expense of the Utilities and lost taxes. It also is the serious step toward mitigation of Global Warming and CO2 in the atmosphere. The current energy status quo can initiate wars to maintain its continuity and imagery is presented to make us believe it is logical and morally right. Horse puckey! It just ain't so. Do not confuse implementation with enforcement. I do not see great loss in nickel/iron batteries. Just a minor note. In the current configuration, windmills are about 8 times (or more) as efficient when located at the end user's house with battery storage.
    When one figures the efficiency of power supply you have to figure in all costs. Are batteries sustainable? Batteries are already very expensive and hinder most people from using solar/wind power. For most people the start up price fopr switching to solar/wind + batteries is more money than they would spend for electricity for a couple years. How long do batteries last? When they die you have to buy new batteries further adding to the cost of your new electric bill. Add on top of that the fact that most people do not have the time or know how to maintain and keep their system working which means that they must hire someone that has a clue, so add more to your new electricity bill. And some homes just do not have the room for solar panels and windmills.


    Im all for a localized power grid and for some people to get off the power grid altogether, but lets be realistic not everyone can and the start up money is high and even then people have to change their lifestyle and that really is not an option for some people. And you really are not helping anything by turning this into some political avenue for changing the country to meet ideological wants. .

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    When one figures the efficiency of power supply you have to figure in all costs. Are batteries sustainable? Batteries are already very expensive and hinder most people from using solar/wind power. For most people the start up price fopr switching to solar/wind + batteries is more money than they would spend for electricity for a couple years. How long do batteries last? When they die you have to buy new batteries further adding to the cost of your new electric bill. Add on top of that the fact that most people do not have the time or know how to maintain and keep their system working which means that they must hire someone that has a clue, so add more to your new electricity bill. And some homes just do not have the room for solar panels and windmills.


    Im all for a localized power grid and for some people to get off the power grid altogether, but lets be realistic not everyone can and the start up money is high and even then people have to change their lifestyle and that really is not an option for some people. And you really are not helping anything by turning this into some political avenue for changing the country to meet ideological wants. .
    I did not consider Global Warming and Greenhouse to be ideological wants, but a realistic alternative to mitigate same because they are National and International problems. As regrds the batteries, I specifically stated nickel/iron batteries that use up their electrolyte not their metallic plates. The start up price is high and that is why it must be a National program creating new industries Nationally, that'd be jobs at local levels, much like Roosevelt's CCC and WPA. I do not see "Nukes" meeting these needs..

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    nuclear is cheaper than solar....
    Nuclear can not be done on a point of usage or micro level. Solar can.

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    No that's not correct. When the home envelope is correctly designed, it leaks zero energy. That means it does not lose heat in cold climates or absorb heat in hot climates. Night lighting should be LEDs averaging 1.5 watts per each. Battery storage is adequate. For nighttime air circulation, it is possible that a one horsepower generator might be added to drive a 3/4 horsepower motor. It is overkill to want to use a multi million horsepower central source, always cranked up, always on, even when demand is reduced. Nothing is more backward than to think Centralized Distribution Network for power. That is the problem. Although it has built a wonderful country, the realities of CO2 and Global Warming must turn our direction to true efficiency not demand overkill. Solar and wind are only efficient locally and I do mean locally on citizen occupied homes. I will repeat something I have said often. When energy becomes LOCAL, two entities are cut out of the dollar profit loop. That is the Utility directly affected and that Utilities partner that it collects and distributes tax money to, the Tax collecting entity, whether it be local, state, or, Federal. That is the bottleneck in solar implementation. When you cut somebody out of the money loop, they are likely to talk bad about you and not help you. Pretty simple.
    Architecture 2030 and Better Buildings Initiative are a start but so far they have been ignoring the common man and his house. All they are doing now is talking up the large commercial properties becoming energy efficient and giving incentives for them.
    A properly built house can easily get by with less than half the energy consumption of the houses being built today, but very few builders talk about it. If my builder told me I could have a house that has half the energy bills, I would want to know more. But sadly, that doesn't happen.
    And if I bring it up, I get blank stares from most developers and contractors.
    I wonder how high utility bills, and gasoline, have to get before people decide to try having some greens on their plate..
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Nuclear can not be done on a point of usage or micro level. Solar can.
    agree, with the added comment that the average home owner will probably be unable to operate a solar system so I damn sure don't want him to have a small nuke in his yard....
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I did not consider Global Warming and Greenhouse to be ideological wants, but a realistic alternative to mitigate same because they are National and International problems. As regrds the batteries, I specifically stated nickel/iron batteries that use up their electrolyte not their metallic plates. The start up price is high and that is why it must be a National program creating new industries Nationally, that'd be jobs at local levels, much like Roosevelt's CCC and WPA. I do not see "Nukes" meeting these needs..
    NiFe has a low specific energy of about 50Wh/kg, has poor low-temperature performance and exhibits high self-discharge of 20 to 40 percent a month. If a battery cannot be charged efficiently whats the point? Theres no conspiracy keeping NiFe's out of demand, its just that they are not good batteries to use for storing electricity.


    ANd I was not implying that global climate change was an ideological dependent subject. I was referring to the other things that you were pimping.

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    agree, with the added comment that the average home owner will probably be unable to operate a solar system so I damn sure don't want him to have a small nuke in his yard....
    Well, you should clean your Photovoltaic panels occasionally. Batteries need electrolyte occasionally and that is like your car battery, just pour a little in. Solar Reflex Heaters need to be installed during cold seasons or reversed for summer, depending on the aesthetic design. Solar is really low tech at the single house level. You just have to make sure the sun keeps coming up. The words sustainable fit well. A lot different than a nuke. Now, that is complicated and I have great admiration for knowledgeable operators.. I just don't like the business and it will always be a Big Money business because it is about the Centralized Collection of Monies. That is what the Nuclear Utility does. Just plug it in to the Grid.

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