View Poll Results: Are You Interested In More Nuclear Power?

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    from your own source.....

    Though some countries reprocess nuclear waste (in essence, preparing it to send through the cycle again to create more energy), this process is banned in the U.S. due to increased proliferation risks, as the reprocessed materials can also be used for making bombs. Reprocessing is also not a solution because it just creates additional nuclear waste.

    a liberal education does not equip the average person with the ability to understand science nearly as well as a scientific education does...
    and your source is clearly liberal....it states incomplete "facts" and then blends them to lead the technically ignorant astray.
    It looks like a way of lying without actually saying anything that is untrue. We with the more balanced education call it propaganda....
    Thats' correct, we don't reprocess the plutonium because it is so easy to make a nuclear weapon with it. Instead we leave it inside the spent fuel rods that are stored on site at many reactors. Tens of thousands of these rods which each contain 1 to 2% pure plutonium are now scattered arond the country with no place to go. You are the one who has no technical knowledge I'm afraid.

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Thats' correct, we don't reprocess the plutonium because it is so easy to make a nuclear weapon with it. Instead we leave it inside the spent fuel rods that are stored on site at many reactors. Tens of thousands of these rods which each contain 1 to 2% pure plutonium are now scattered arond the country with no place to go. You are the one who has no technical knowledge I'm afraid.
    and how does one get the plutonium out of the spent fuel rods?
    They would have to take it to France, where there is a spent fuel processing facility....
    'splain that, Lucy....
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Thats' correct, we don't reprocess the plutonium because it is so easy to make a nuclear weapon with it. Instead we leave it inside the spent fuel rods that are stored on site at many reactors. Tens of thousands of these rods which each contain 1 to 2% pure plutonium are now scattered arond the country with no place to go. You are the one who has no technical knowledge I'm afraid.
    as for no technical knowledge, 2 years of electronics training and a year of nuclear power school in the Navy, and 3 years towards a Bachelors of Electronics Technology in 8 years of night classes University of Idaho.....ask anybody who has been to the Navy Nuke school, it is NOT easy...
    what is your education?
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    as for no technical knowledge, 2 years of electronics training and a year of nuclear power school in the Navy, and 3 years towards a Bachelors of Electronics Technology in 8 years of night classes University of Idaho.....ask anybody who has been to the Navy Nuke school, it is NOT easy...
    what is your education?
    Good for you. That does not explain why you first denied that plutonium was made in a nuclear reactor at all? Then when I called you on it you then said we don't process the plutonium. Plutonium is MADE in all modern nuclear reactors as a "waste product". Plutonium is deadly to all life for 100's of 1000's of years and we need a place to put it where it will be safe for that long BEFORE we start building more reactors and making tons more of it. Storing tons of high level radioactive material on site in dozens of locations is asking for trouble and will only get worse and worse. That was my point and many scientists agree.
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Good for you. That does not explain why you first denied that plutonium was made in a nuclear reactor at all? Then when I called you on it you then said we don't process the plutonium. Plutonium is MADE in all modern nuclear reactors as a "waste product". Plutonium is deadly to all life for 100's of 1000's of years and we need a place to put it where it will be safe for that long BEFORE we start building more reactors and making tons more of it. That was my point and many scientists agree.
    so, nothing on your resume' ? any college at all?
    Show me where I denied plutonium is made in commercial fuel bundles......I said commercial reactor spent fuel is not processed for plutonium extraction in the USA. Therefore there is no connection with spent fuel and bomb making.
    However, you have missed a point ....plutonium is not only dangerous as you say, it is also very poisonous. Not that anyone cares, as you can't get any of it.....if you could, it would probably kill you before you can make a bomb with it.
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Greetings UtahBill! I thank you for taking the time to respond to my initial post.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    no nuclear power plant in the USA has been attacked in any way...it is a waste of time.
    If terrorists want to terrorize us, there are many easier ways to do it....
    I can think of several unguarded locations where it would be easy to cause serious illnesses or even death to thousands. How hard would it be for a terrorist to spread anthrax from a small plane? or put something in our water supply? shoot down a commercial airliner with a small rocket?
    While there has not been an attack on a nuclear power plant in our country (thankfully), I am sure that we can agree on the point that just because something has not happened in the past does not mean that it cannot happen in the future. Also, I do agree that there are easier ways to go about acts of terrorism (unfortunately, we have seen it happen in our lifetimes); however, I am sure that you would agree that this does not prevent a nuclear power plant from becoming a potential target.

    Without going too far off topic from the original poll question, I would like to link below a report from the Congressional Research Service, dated August of this year. This report was created by Mark Holt and Anthony Andrews.

    Nuclear Power Plant Security and Vulnerabilities

    A couple of statements taken from the summary at the beginning of the report should indicate its value to our discussion:

    More than a decade after the 9/11 attacks, security at nuclear plants remains an important concern.

    During the 136 inspections, 10 mock attacks resulted in the simulated destruction of complete target sets, indicating inadequate protection against the DBT (Design Basis Threat)…

    Nuclear power plant vulnerability to deliberate aircraft crashes has been a continuing issue.

    Other ongoing nuclear plant security issues include the vulnerability of spent fuel pools, which hold highly radioactive nuclear fuel after its removal from the reactor, standards for nuclear plant security personnel, and nuclear plant emergency planning.

    While this is just a single government report on the issue, there are many other reports (governmental and otherwise) out there that do agree with concerns presented here.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    you are very well misinformed about the topic....
    I appreciate your candor, and do not conclude that it is some form of argumentum ad hominem. One of the reasons that I registered here at Debate Politics was to challenge my beliefs about subjects and to learn from others. Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain a bit about where I am misinformed, or at the least direct me to sources that may explain the issues clearer to me?

    In any event, I hope that you enjoy the rest of the holiday weekend, and look forward to a reply at your convenience!
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    so, nothing on your resume' ? any college at all?
    Show me where I denied plutonium is made in commercial fuel bundles......I said commercial reactor spent fuel is not processed for plutonium extraction in the USA. Therefore there is no connection with spent fuel and bomb making.
    However, you have missed a point ....plutonium is not only dangerous as you say, it is also very poisonous. Not that anyone cares, as you can't get any of it.....if you could, it would probably kill you before you can make a bomb with it.
    His resume means about as much as your does.

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Plebeian View Post
    Greetings UtahBill! I thank you for taking the time to respond to my initial post.



    While there has not been an attack on a nuclear power plant in our country (thankfully), I am sure that we can agree on the point that just because something has not happened in the past does not mean that it cannot happen in the future. Also, I do agree that there are easier ways to go about acts of terrorism (unfortunately, we have seen it happen in our lifetimes); however, I am sure that you would agree that this does not prevent a nuclear power plant from becoming a potential target.

    Without going too far off topic from the original poll question, I would like to link below a report from the Congressional Research Service, dated August of this year. This report was created by Mark Holt and Anthony Andrews.

    Nuclear Power Plant Security and Vulnerabilities

    A couple of statements taken from the summary at the beginning of the report should indicate its value to our discussion:

    More than a decade after the 9/11 attacks, security at nuclear plants remains an important concern.

    During the 136 inspections, 10 mock attacks resulted in the simulated destruction of complete target sets, indicating inadequate protection against the DBT (Design Basis Threat)…

    Nuclear power plant vulnerability to deliberate aircraft crashes has been a continuing issue.

    Other ongoing nuclear plant security issues include the vulnerability of spent fuel pools, which hold highly radioactive nuclear fuel after its removal from the reactor, standards for nuclear plant security personnel, and nuclear plant emergency planning.

    While this is just a single government report on the issue, there are many other reports (governmental and otherwise) out there that do agree with concerns presented here.
    We can't prepare for every potential threat, there isn't enough money for that. so we prepare for what is most likely...
    There is a lot of misinformation about this topic available, and too many people with some kind of agenda. Certainly any site that encourages donations to their cause should be considered as having less than honorable motivations.



    I appreciate your candor, and do not conclude that it is some form of argumentum ad hominem. One of the reasons that I registered here at Debate Politics was to challenge my beliefs about subjects and to learn from others. Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain a bit about where I am misinformed, or at the least direct me to sources that may explain the issues clearer to me?

    In any event, I hope that you enjoy the rest of the holiday weekend, and look forward to a reply at your convenience!
    Your profile is NOT empty, a refreshing deviation from the norm....
    What does low voltage technician mean, specifically? I have been several different kinds of technician in the navy and civilian world, also a reactor operator, and it doesn't scare me. What does scare me is the occasional PERSON who lacks the respect, or fear, for what can happen.
    It isn't the nuke plant design, equipment, spent fuel, or even the terrorist we need to worry about, it is the plant employee who manages to be very creative in doing stupid things.

    anyway, terrorist want maximum impact and there are far easier ways to accomplish their goals without trying to steal something they can't even use. Crashing a plane is the most likely scenario but it would not likely drain the water off, and I am pretty sure that spent fuels don't even have drain plugs......highly trained commandos can come in and make the local security force look foolish, but their mission isn't prevention, it is delay. You can bet that there are direct phone lines to state and federal and even military groups who could respond quickly. I spent a lot of years at nuclear facilities, and there are some people at these places whose job is to be paranoid about what might happen and to prepare for it.
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    His resume means about as much as your does.
    we won't know that if he doesn't post it...
    when you have questions about your car issues, you ask an educated trained mechanic, right? not the cleaning crew for the dealership....
    If you don't want to learn from someone who knows something about the topic, by all means, ask the janitor....
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I don't think anybody is using these anymore. NiMH are more common these days.

    A better solution for electrical storage with intermittent energy source like Wind and Solar are Flow Batteries. They can hold a charge for a very long time. Some are already being used for industrial applications.

    Storing That Power: Flow Batteries -

    That said, I think it makes sense to employ several different energy solutions. There are advantages and disadvantages to each one. Properly positioning the various energy types can take advantage of the strengths of each while compensating for the weaknesses. Solar is an excellent idea in Tempe, AZ but a lousy one in Seattle, WA. I see people arguing for their favorite energy source as though they expect it to be the last type ever used. I don't see that as possible. We'd like cheap electricity but also pollution-free electricity. Well, "you can't always get want. But if you try sometime, you just might find, you get what you need." We might have to accept a certain number of nuclear plants and a certain number of Natural Gas plants, all sprinkled in amongst Wind, Solar, and Wave plants. Many types of energy working together can provide energy independence, cleaner air, and reasonable costs. It's all about placing the right kind of energy where it is most suited.
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