View Poll Results: Are You Interested In More Nuclear Power?

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  • Hell no! Remember Chernobyl?

    21 16.67%
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  • Maybe. What do the scientists say?

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Thread: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I really don't mind the Canadians and Mexicans sending oil here to refine. After all gasoline, Vaseline, kerosine, etc are worth more than some crude.
    Being Canadian I personally think we should refine it here in Canada then we can send it to you guys or the Chinese, whoever pays more
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    We don't have a harbor big enough for oil distribution.
    what? We have some of the best harbors in the hemisphere. Boston, San Fransisco, and Portland aren't big cities just because they happen to host crappy professional sports teams.

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Being Canadian I personally think we should refine it here in Canada then we can send it to you guys or the Chinese, whoever pays more
    Indeed (if you can refine it at cost) you should. And I deplore the idiocy with which we turn down your offers.

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The Direct Costs of Energy: Why Solar Will Continue To Lag Hydro And Nukes - Forbes

    read it and weep, if we went totally solar we would have to pay double the rate, which would be fine because you will only get it half the time.

    Yo Oracle. I read the article in its entirety. Flawed article. Who would suggest connecting a resource that is most efficient in a local independent environment to a centralized distribution network. That is the first flaw. Second, no costing for mitigation of fossil induced Global Warming was included and that is a certain future cost. As regards nukes, no costing was included for Global Glowing waste in the future. It is the monopoly distribution network and its major partners, the Tax collection agencies, that initiate these articles. Solar and wind are efficient locally. That makes jobs locally. That makes savings locally. That makes maintenance locally. It's the "locally" that the big distributors and tax collectors are worried about, not inefficiencies. It's their bottom lines not local ones.

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what? We have some of the best harbors in the hemisphere. Boston, San Fransisco, and Portland aren't big cities just because they happen to host crappy professional sports teams.
    BITE your tongue!! Crappiest sports teams? Boston? I think not.

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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Google Architecture 2030 and Better Buildings Initiative, these plans have all kinds of incentives that are NOT from government, the best one is to give preferred interest rates based on how green you build. Edward Mazria is the man behind this, he wrote the best book I have found on the topic of passive solar design and construction. My retirement home has a lot of glass on the south side, the sunlight comes in and warms a lot of tile and granite in the kitchen/dining area. I like to stand in the window on a sunny winter day and feel the warmth while I watch my working neighbors shovel snow.

    There was a time that air pollution was due mostly to tailpipe emission, but congress mandated cleaner engines and the auto industry stepped up and in less than a decade we had the computer controlled fuel injected engines that now are putting out more power/torque and better fuel efficiency, and of course, a mere fraction of the air pollution. One thing, tho, that should be an embarrassment to the auto makers, is that MOST of the initial fuel efficiency gains were gained by OLD TECH, the overdrive transmission.
    Now, thanks to most of our electricity coming from coal, it is our buildings that are the biggest source of air pollution.

    I am in favor of more nukes. If I was in better health, I could get a nice high paying job as a contractor during construction phase, as an Instrument Tech and Metrology Tech. But the Parkinson's has vetoed that. If you saw my unedited typing, you would know what I mean.
    I know about all this, but this is what I am talking about. Make these things known. To me, putting out information about how building energy efficient buildings can save money in the long run and how much it can save is just as much as an incentive as tax breaks. And I like the idea of better interest rates when you build energy efficient.
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Is your father still alive?
    My grandfather's friend is and he worked at a site for at least 20 years. He retired from there in I think the 80s. He is in his 80s now. He outlived my grandfather who never worked in nuclear power by over 15 years.

    We talked about it when I introduced him to my husband a few years back, since I worked on Navy reactors. He received more radiation back then each year than I did the entire time I worked in it for the Navy. It has become even more regulated and made safer since he worked in it.
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I know about all this, but this is what I am talking about. Make these things known. To me, putting out information about how building energy efficient buildings can save money in the long run and how much it can save is just as much as an incentive as tax breaks. And I like the idea of better interest rates when you build energy efficient.
    I guess the reason most of us don't hear about it is that we are not in the building trades. I have given, for free, Mazria's book, Passive Solar, to a couple of small time developers, hoping that they would use some of that info and make better houses. Doesn't work, you can't change some people... Last one turned out a house with a lot of south facing wall, but hardly any windows on that wall. It is a corner lot, giving ample opportunity to orient the house for some passive solar gain, he didn't take the opportunity. All that wall, minimal windows, so it looks odd...
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Yo Oracle. I read the article in its entirety. Flawed article. Who would suggest connecting a resource that is most efficient in a local independent environment to a centralized distribution network. That is the first flaw. Second, no costing for mitigation of fossil induced Global Warming was included and that is a certain future cost. As regards nukes, no costing was included for Global Glowing waste in the future. It is the monopoly distribution network and its major partners, the Tax collection agencies, that initiate these articles. Solar and wind are efficient locally. That makes jobs locally. That makes savings locally. That makes maintenance locally. It's the "locally" that the big distributors and tax collectors are worried about, not inefficiencies. It's their bottom lines not local ones.
    is it possible that any article I give you will be flawed?
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    Re: Would You Tolerate Nuclear Power For Energy Independence?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I know about all this, but this is what I am talking about. Make these things known. To me, putting out information about how building energy efficient buildings can save money in the long run and how much it can save is just as much as an incentive as tax breaks. And I like the idea of better interest rates when you build energy efficient.
    Build a house like a walk-in cooler/freezer. Tightly insulated in all six directions. Make sure a long wall is solar south oriented, not the same as magnetic. Install 350 square feet of glazing/windows in that south facing wall. The envelope will not lose energy/heat or A/C because it is superinsulated. Energy use will be nominally the same whether 400 square feet or 4000 square feet and varies more with the number of occupants. Now install an air to air heat exchanger to move fresh air in and remove odors and moisture. Think air change occasionally. Humans make the odors and moisture. Windows lose heat when the sun is not shining, so install Solar Reflex Heaters in the south facing windows. There are no other windows. These are insulating panels that are also solar collectors. They automatically turn on/off when the sun shines and off when it is dark or behind a cloud. This design is absolutely 100% solar. Unless you are in an area that might go for weeks without sun, it is a 100% solar home. A small wood stove is reccommended for backup heating because it does not add moisture to the interior. Very small because it is a zero energy use envelope. Solar Reflex Heater pat. 4,971,028. I'm prejudiced.

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