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What class do you fall under and what is your political affiliation?

What social class do you fall under?

  • Capitalist class/wealthy

    Votes: 9 11.8%
  • Upper middle

    Votes: 24 31.6%
  • Lower middle

    Votes: 23 30.3%
  • Working class

    Votes: 12 15.8%
  • Lower class

    Votes: 8 10.5%

  • Total voters
    76
did you ever consider that some people who are poor actually might want to escape that condition rather than buying into the dem lie that they cannot escape their fate and must live off the government the rest of their lives

the GOP has no interest in keeping people poor and dependent and voting DEM. the DEMS do

Turtle, generally, I like your posts, but i think this lacks some intellectual honesty and overall fairness;

Democrats - "You are poor, and it's all white guy/rich guy/conservative guy/(insert target guy)'s fault."



which is equally as dubious as;

Republicans - Democrats are spending us into oblivion, and it will drown your grandchildren........Hold on, Something is happening in Israel. Better incite war.






I think for many, the choice comes down to constant wars, or explosive debt. It's a ****ty choice, and why I have yet to cast a ballot for an R or a D in ANY presidential election.
 
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did you ever consider that some people who are poor actually might want to escape that condition rather than buying into the dem lie that they cannot escape their fate and must live off the government the rest of their lives

the GOP has no interest in keeping people poor and dependent and voting DEM. the DEMS do

It's extremely hard to escape without help. Silver spooners get help from their families.
 
Yeah true. I was going for efficiency. I put them all in for under $5000 thanks to a buddy who got me a deal. Being that mine is in a historic district I had to adhere to some strict rules, windows were not on that list. I applaud you for trying to keep it as close to original as possible though.

I don't have to, I choose to. After I get the windows done (I have 8 more windows that need to be redone on the sides of the house but that's a project for next summer), I get to paint the kitchen, then I'm going to take down the incredibly heavy sliding carriage doors on the garage and probably build new ones from scratch.
 
You can get them triple pane installed vinyl windows for about
$240 per window here by a real licensed company.

I have no idea, I've never seen his house (he's in Arizona), just heard him talk about it. He said he had a lot of windows and it cost him $12k. Beyond that, I have no clue but I could ask.
 
It's extremely hard to escape without help. Silver spooners get help from their families.

being dependent on government is never an escape though and powerful interests want to keep people dependent

explain why 75% of millionaires are first generation millionaires.
 
It's extremely hard to escape without help. Silver spooners get help from their families.

No, it's not that hard. Planning your education and wise money management are the keys. Effort and responsibility are what those who whine about it being hard are lacking. You've got your textbooks and library in high school for study materials. If you actually take advantage of those, you can significantly increase your chances of acceptance to any university and scholarships. For money, there are a large number of strategies to significantly increase the value of your dollar. Shopping for sales and clearances, using coupons, bargaining, etc. can be combined to effectively allow you to live as if your income was double. The moral of the story is to live opportunistically if you want to increase your worth.
 
Upper middle, moderate-liberal (no party affiliations for obvious reasons)
 
Is it combined household income, or my personal income? My wife makes about twice as much as I do.

My income is "working class" my wife's is "lower mid" and our combined income puts us closer to "upper mid," but the very low end of it. I have a BA, my wife has an MA, so our educations are higher on the chart than our incomes. I voted for Johnson, she voted for Obama. Hard as it may be for some to believe, there are actually people more liberal than I am, and I'm sleeping with one of them. :mrgreen:
 
:shrug: take it for what it's worth - but I would recommend buying against a new car unless you are otherwise debt free and can pay for it in cash. Even then, buying brand new is like taking 25K and investing it in a stock that you know is going to lose 2/3rds of it's value over the next three years. Unless you can afford that kind of loss.....

Agree 100%. While a car is a necessity for many people, a new car is always a luxury. With modern vehicle manufacture, you are as likely to have reliability problems with one straight out of the showroom as you are one with 3 years regular use and mileage, and you'll pay 30-50% of the cost of a new one. If you can afford to buy new, you're not struggling.
 
Agree 100%. While a car is a necessity for many people, a new car is always a luxury. With modern vehicle manufacture, you are as likely to have reliability problems with one straight out of the showroom as you are one with 3 years regular use and mileage, and you'll pay 30-50% of the cost of a new one. If you can afford to buy new, you're not struggling.

Buy a beater then get some of that "new car smell" spray and save a lot.:roll:
 
It's extremely hard to escape without help. Silver spooners get help from their families.

I got help from my family when my dad worked third shift at a mill at night and farmed during the day. His mom scrubbed floors on or hands and knees at a hotel to make extra money which she used to buy land--little lots at a time. Inheriting a work ethic helps too. In fact, some might say that is more important, but whatever, 4th and 5th generation welfare families won't mean anything to those who do not care that there are 3rd generation ones now.
 
Buy a beater then get some of that "new car smell" spray and save a lot.:roll:

Top Tip o'the Day, Mr LA! And when buying second-hand, always buy German or Japanese. Those Axis boys know how to make cars that last.
 
Very few people fit into those exactly - they're silly.

Maybe that's why I'm a moderate - I side with no one thusly I align with no one single group. I'm a stay at home mom who's in college - what does that make me? I'm not about to claim **** because of my husband's income.

Upper middle class doesn't spend time under their house redoing all the plumbing :D


I must take a very similar stance..
I care not for categorying people into "classes"....something about this which, IMO, is not good..
As to the plumbing.....I feel that one is indeed "upper middle" as they do their own plumbing.....otherwise, its the poor house...lol:cool:
Those who claim "conservative and Christian", I wonder about...IMO, it cannot be both !
What would Jesus think ?
 
Top Tip o'the Day, Mr LA! And when buying second-hand, always buy German or Japanese. Those Axis boys know how to make cars that last.

Oh, I do not know...our vehicles are better than the general perception....old "intelligence" dies hard...
But, the '96 Saab and the '97 Honda do well for us.
Our auto manufacturers were destroying themselves a generation ago or so when they knew NOT the market and over paid both the worker and the executive.
I hope they have learned.
 
I got help from my family when my dad worked third shift at a mill at night and farmed during the day. His mom scrubbed floors on or hands and knees at a hotel to make extra money which she used to buy land--little lots at a time. Inheriting a work ethic helps too. In fact, some might say that is more important, but whatever, 4th and 5th generation welfare families won't mean anything to those who do not care that there are 3rd generation ones now.
I think that welfare has been reformed/improved many years ago, but it may need some more improvement.
The elimination of hatred and intolerance are the only way to break the cycle of dependence.
 
I think that welfare has been reformed/improved many years ago, but it may need some more improvement.
The elimination of hatred and intolerance are the only way to break the cycle of dependence.


Apparently for some the only way to break the cycle of dependence is going to be to stop giving them anything.
 
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Romney was good at convincing people without a pot to piss in that it is a good idea to give tax breaks to the rich, now that's leadership. [borrowed from lewis black]

No, Obama is the super rich's hero. Romney wanted a $25,000 maximum deduction.

The maximum tax deductions for the rich under Obama is $100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.00

The super rich LOVE OBAMA. He gives them hundreds of billions of dollars. Personally - literally personally - exempts them from having to provide their employees "ObamaCare" and gives them UNLIMITED tax deductions from their income.

Democrats LOVE the super rich and will give them anything and everything they want.

Who Democrats hate is the old couple that own the corner dollar store. They want them destroyed because they offer token competition to WalMart. Democrats love WalMart more than anything else on earth.
 
... ... I voted for Johnson, she voted for Obama. Hard as it may be for some to believe, there are actually people more liberal than I am, and I'm sleeping with one of them. :mrgreen:
Sleeping with a liberal is very nice. They tend to do what feels good (in the morning too) rather than follow someone else's rules.
 
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No, Obama is the super rich's hero. Romney wanted a $25,000 maximum deduction.

According to the following article the $25,000 maximum deduction would hurt the middle class far worse than the wealty:

Higher Taxes For The Middle Class

First, for many middle-class families the size of Romney’s bucket is just too small. They would have less to deduct than they do today — meaning that tax payments would be higher.

For example, many middle-class households deduct not just mortgage interest but also property taxes and state income taxes.
Combine these costs together and it’s not hard to top $25,000. In other words the $25,000 in deductions and credits that Romney is talking about represent a cap,
the absolute maximum that a middle income family could shield from taxes.

It’s a way to reduce or eliminate the home mortgage deduction by another name.

<SNIP>

Rich Folks Income Untouched

However, if your income comes largely from dividends, interest or capital gains there would be no tax on the money that flows through to you.

Now just look at your neighborhood. How many people on your street get a lot of their income from dividends, interest or capital gains?
Unless you’re street has a lot of mansions the betting is that few if any of your neighbors get the majority of their money from anything but their labor, whether their labor is teaching in school, running a computer, farming or fixing pipes.

Romney packages his tax proposal is a boon to the middle class.
In fact, many members of the middle class would see deductions fall and taxes rise while members of the Romney class would see lower taxes and fatter bank accounts because of his promised 20 percent general tax cut.

read more:


Will Romney’s Tax Plan End Your Mortgage Deduction? : Real Estate — Mortgage — Foreclosure — News — Commentary
 
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Gross income - lower middle class
Net income - working class

Ron Paul is about the only politician I've seen that shares the same views as me. That being said, I didn't vote for anyone this year.
 
The poll asks you for your social class, but the poll options refer to economic class.

I guess I belong to several social classes, reflected by the DP Social Groups I'm a member of. It never occurred to me to think of income in terms of who I hang out with. That's an alien concept to me.
 
I could not see the image, but my family would fall under working class. I am not of age to vote, sadly, but I am legally unaffiliated and my entire family voted for Obama. If I were forced to choose a party, which I would dread, I would register as a libretarian. Luckily, that is not the case. If I had the vote in this past election, then I most likely would have written in Ron Paul for president and focused more on both the state and national legislatures.
 
It's extremely hard to escape without help. Silver spooners get help from their families.

Yup, and typically for that reason they don't do as well. The vast majority of American millionaires are first-generation (like, around 80% of them) wealthy, and never got an inheritance.

I agree that it is difficult to escape poverty, but it is always difficult to improve ones' station in life - whether you are moving from the lowest income bracket to the middle or from the middle to a higher one. There is a club for that called "life" and we meet at the bar. :)

Unfortunately, hand outs appear to make it harder for people to climb out of poverty, as they become dependent upon the aid, stunt their natural drive towards self-improvement, and begin to seek ways to enrich themselves not through increasing production, but rather through increasing the amount that they take from others. They get caught in self-destructive generational cycles of broken families, joblessness, and functional illiteracy. Our attempts to "help" through government have thus far exacerbated these trends, not reduced them.

If we actually want to help the poor, perhaps we should start taking a look at what works rather than what is easy.
 
The poll asks you for your social class, but the poll options refer to economic class.

I guess I belong to several social classes, reflected by the DP Social Groups I'm a member of. It never occurred to me to think of income in terms of who I hang out with. That's an alien concept to me.

Ditto. My friends (in RL) include millionaires, broke students, well-paid S&T workers, single parents, and everything in between. Liking or disliking people because of their income is amazingly stupid.
 
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