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What class do you fall under and what is your political affiliation?

What social class do you fall under?

  • Capitalist class/wealthy

    Votes: 9 11.8%
  • Upper middle

    Votes: 24 31.6%
  • Lower middle

    Votes: 23 30.3%
  • Working class

    Votes: 12 15.8%
  • Lower class

    Votes: 8 10.5%

  • Total voters
    76
Working class...voted for Stein.

Political affiliation in anarchist...which didn't have any candidates for any of the levels of office I may vote on.
 
Yeah, if you've got three kids in college and you can afford to tithe-- much less to go above and beyond-- then yeah, you really are wealthier than most everyone else. Count your blessings.

You have a very valid point.

The thing is there are a of us who are "millionairs next door".
We often think of ourselves as middle-to upper class because most of our wealth is in our business.

We don't look like millionairs, we don't dress like millionairs, we don't drive super luxury cars and a lot of us live in milddle class and upper-middle class homes/subdivisions.
A lot of us are business owners ,many are self employed.

Here is a of <SNIP>s from the book: The Millionaire Next Door
PORTRAIT Of A MILLIONAIRE

Who is the prototypical American millionaire? What would he tell you about himself?(*)

* I am a fifty-seven-year-old male, married with three children. About 70 percent of us earn 80 percent or more of our household's income.

* About one in five of us is retired. About two-thirds of us who are working are self-employed. Interestingly, self-employed people make up less than 20 percent of the workers in America but account for two-thirds of the millionaires. Also, three out of four of us who are self-employed consider ourselves to be entrepreneurs. Most of the others are self-employed professionals, such as doctors and accountants.

* Many of the types of businesses we are in could be classified as dullnormal. We are welding contractors, auctioneers, rice farmers, owners of mobile-home parks, pest controllers, coin and stamp dealers, and paving contractors.

* About half of our wives do not work outside the home. The number-one occupation for those wives who do work is teacher.

* Our household's total annual realized (taxable) income is $131,000 (median, or 50th percentile), while our average income is $247,000. Note that those of us who have incomes in the $500,000 to $999,999 category (8 percent) and the $1 million or more category (5 percent) skew the average upward.

* We have an average household net worth of $3.7 million. Of course, some of our cohorts have accumulated much more. Nearly 6 percent have a net worth of over $10 million. Again, these people skew our average upward. The typical (median, or 50th percentile) millionaire household has a net worth of $1.6 million.

* On average, our total annual realized income is less than 7 percent of our wealth. In other words, we live on less than 7 percent of our wealth.

* Most of us (97 percent) are homeowners. We live in homes currently valued at an average of $320,000. About half of us have occupied the same home for more than twenty years. Thus, we have enjoyed significant increases in the value of our homes.

* Most of us have never felt at a disadvantage because we did not receive any inheritance. About 80 percent of us are first-generation affluent.

* We live well below our means. We wear inexpensive suits and drive American-made cars. Only a minority of us drive the current-model-year automobile. Only a minority ever lease our motor vehicles.

* Most of our wives are planners and meticulous budgeters. In fact, only 18 percent of us disagreed with the statement "Charity begins at home." Most of us will tell you that our wives are a lot more conservative with money than we are.

* We have a "go-to-hell fund." In other words, we have accumulated enough wealth to live without working for ten or more years. Thus, those of us with a net worth of $1.6 million could live comfortably for more than twelve years. Actually, we could live longer than that, since we save at least 15 percent of our earned income.

* We have more than six and one-half times the level of wealth of our nonmillionaire neighbors, but, in our neighborhood, these nonmillionaires outnumber us better than three to one. Could it be that they have chosen to trade wealth for acquiring high-status material possessions?

* As a group, we are fairly well educated. Only about one in five are not college graduates. Many of us hold advanced degrees. Eighteen percent have master's degrees, 8 percent law degrees, 6 percent medical degrees, and 6 percent Ph.D.s.

* Only 17 percent of us or our spouses ever attended a private elementary or private high school. But 55 percent of our children are currently attending or have attended private schools.

* As a group, we believe that education is extremely important for ourselves, our children, and our grandchildren. We spend heavily for the educations of our offspring.

* About two-thirds of us work between forty-five and fifty-five hours per week.

* We are fastidious investors. On average, we invest nearly 20 percent of our household realized income each year. Most of us invest at least 15 percent. Seventy-nine percent of us have at least one account with a brokerage company. But we make our own investment decisions.

* We hold nearly 20 percent of our household's wealth in transaction securities such as publicly traded stocks and mutual funds. But we rarely sell our equity investments. We hold even more in our pension plans. On average, 21 percent of our household's wealth is in our private businesses.


* As a group, we feel that our daughters are financially handicapped in comparison to our sons. Men seem to make much more money even within the same occupational categories. That is why most of us would not hesitate to share some of our wealth with our daughters. Our sons, and men in general, have the deck of economic cards stacked in their favor. They should not need subsidies from their parents.

* What would be the ideal occupations for our sons and daughters? There are about 3.5 millionaire households like ours. Our numbers are growing much faster than the general population. Our kids should consider providing affluent people with some valuable service. Overall, our most trusted financial advisors are our accountants. Our attorneys are also very important. So we recommend accounting and law to our children. Tax advisors and estate-planning experts will be in big demand over the next fifteen years.

* I am a tightwad. That's one of the main reasons I completed a long questionnaire for a crispy $1 bill. Why else would I spend two or three hours being personally interviewed by these authors? They paid me $100, $200, or $250. Oh, they made me another offer--to donate in my name the money I earned for my interview to my favorite charity. But I told them, "I am my favorite charity."

"WEALTHY" DEFINED

Ask the average American to define the term wealthy. Most would give the same definition found in Webster's. Wealthy to them refers to people who have an abundance of material possessions.

We define wealthy differently. We do not define wealthy, affluent, or rich in terms of material possessions. Many people who display a high-consumption lifestyle have little or no investments, appreciable assets, income-producing assets, common stocks, bonds, private businesses, oil/gas rights, or timber land. Conversely, those people whom we define as being wealthy get much more pleasure from owning substantial amounts of appreciable assets than from displaying a high-consumption lifestyle.

THE NOMINAL DEFINITION OF WEALTHY

One way we determine whether someone is wealthy or not is based on net worth--"cattle," not "chattel." Net worth is defined as the current value of one's assets less liabilities (exclude the principle in trust accounts). In this book we define the threshold level of being wealthy as having a net worth of $1 million or more. Based on this definition, only 3.5 million (3.5 percent) of the 100 million households in America are considered wealthy. About 95 percent of millionaires in America have a net worth of between $1 million and $10 million. Much of the discussion in this book centers on this segment of the population. Why the focus on this group? Because this level of wealth can be attained in one generation. It can be attained by many Americans.

read more:

The Millionaire Next Door
 
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Not to sound conspiratorial, but it is my firm belief that one day we will have a global government. IMO this will look less like an overbearing empier and more like a solid trade organisation.

I hope I live to see that day, because when America is placed in context to the rest of the world and global taxes are decided, I want to watch the liberals squirm as the world hates the lowest American for being in the upper-elite of the world. I can't wait for their own standard to be applied to them and their assets taxed into ruin.

I can't wait to see them take away your military pension.
 
I don't even care about the cost, I am an amateur woodworker, I live in a 1926 house on 10 acres and I do all of my own home repairs and enhancements because I love restoring old houses. If I have the time, the skills and the tools to do a job, I will do the job myself. If not, I hire someone to do it. Half the fun of having an old house is working on it!

I wish I had your love of old homes. It seems as if every time I start a project it turns into a bigger one. Anyway good for you! My house was built in 1910 and has been a nightmare.
 
I wish I had your love of old homes. It seems as if every time I start a project it turns into a bigger one. Anyway good for you! My house was built in 1910 and has been a nightmare.

It's not a nightmare if you enjoy doing it. Half of the reason I was reglazing the front of the house, where it receives direct sunlight, is because the old glazing was coming off. In trying to remove the old glazing, I found that the former residents patched the glazing badly, using rubber cement, I think. I ended up breaking a couple of panes of glass (there were 51 panes that I reglazed), replaced with restoration glass, but it took a couple of weeks, then scraping all the old paint off, and now I'm ready to repaint if it would stop raining every weekend.
 
It's not a nightmare if you enjoy doing it. Half of the reason I was reglazing the front of the house, where it receives direct sunlight, is because the old glazing was coming off. In trying to remove the old glazing, I found that the former residents patched the glazing badly, using rubber cement, I think. I ended up breaking a couple of panes of glass (there were 51 panes that I reglazed), replaced with restoration glass, but it took a couple of weeks, then scraping all the old paint off, and now I'm ready to repaint if it would stop raining every weekend.

Yeah I had a hack reglazing job on my windows too. I just replaced all the windows with new custom windows. I hung them which was a chore. At the time I was a professional mechanic not a carpenter. I have reglazed windows before and it is actually very relaxing if you take your time. And a patient worker will yield very nice results. Even so I can not honestly say I love to work on my house.
 
Yeah I had a hack reglazing job on my windows too. I just replaced all the windows with new custom windows. I hung them which was a chore. At the time I was a professional mechanic not a carpenter. I have reglazed windows before and it is actually very relaxing if you take your time. And a patient worker will yield very nice results. Even so I can not honestly say I love to work on my house.

I could have done that, I have a friend who just replaced every window in his house with triple-pane windows that cost him $12k. I just want to maintain the house in as close to original condition as possible. Otherwise, I could have just torn the house down and built another one with all the modern conveniences.
 
I can't wait to see them take away your military pension.
I haven't earned a pension yet, but I know that's likely to happen by the time I qualify, so I'm going to be ready for it on the civilian side.

IMO once a service member is finished with the military, the military should only be on the hook for service related problems. That's it. I'm not real big on the military or any other employer providing a retirement plan at all. IMO that's the individual's job to take care of.

General health insurance is already where it should be, in that if you are not a veteran you qualify for basic plans you pay for, and if you are a veteran you qualify for a few better plans you still pay for (monthly premium, co-pay, deductible, etc). Able-body civilians who don't like it can either take the oath and sign on the dotted line or STFU.
 
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I could have done that, I have a friend who just replaced every window in his house with triple-pane windows that cost him $12k. I just want to maintain the house in as close to original condition as possible. Otherwise, I could have just torn the house down and built another one with all the modern conveniences.
He paid double.for the windows. As a professional builder I used to cringe when a customer told me he worked on it first.
 
He paid double.for the windows. As a professional builder I used to cringe when a customer told me he worked on it first.

I don't think he paid double, he has a big house.
 
I could have done that, I have a friend who just replaced every window in his house with triple-pane windows that cost him $12k. I just want to maintain the house in as close to original condition as possible. Otherwise, I could have just torn the house down and built another one with all the modern conveniences.

Yeah true. I was going for efficiency. I put them all in for under $5000 thanks to a buddy who got me a deal. Being that mine is in a historic district I had to adhere to some strict rules, windows were not on that list. I applaud you for trying to keep it as close to original as possible though.
 
My neigborhood is so poor that people put locks on their garbage cans.
 
Most people tell me I have no class at all.
 
I can't wait to see them take away your military pension.
I'm gona rat out my buddies here because I think this is bull****. A perfect example of government waste.

Ok, so, over-seas we get separation pay. No problem. I think that's good. Also, most FOBs and COPs have a USO or an MWR with free internet and phones. I'm good with that. I think tax-payers helping to pay for those things is good and justified as it greatly helps servicemen stay connected and thus focus on our job. In addition to these services, many private companies have sprout up to offer servicemen better internet access than the USO offers; and we can have it in our own room, no need to take a number and wait in line at the USO for a 30-minute call. This service costs a premium, topping at about $60-$90 per-week, depending on the package the servicemen selects. Sounds great, right? The servicemen pays for it.

Here's the bull****: When the servicemen de-mobs, that servicemen will fill out a travel voucher. The voucher reimburses the servicemen for various valid travel costs such as living in base without a PX. But the servicemen can also claim the entire amount he paid for the optional premium internet service he didn't need because there was a USO or MWR nearby. At $90 per-week X 47 weeks in-country = $4,230 per-service-member X 1,414,000 service members over seas link = $5,981,220,000...JUST FOR INTERNET!!! THAT WE DIDN'T NEED!!

Let us spend his money on it if we want, but do not reimburse it if we were on a base that had a USO or MWR. I spent my money on a lot of High Speed Internet For Soldiers In US Bases In Afghanistan & Iraq , and no I did nt ask for any of it to be reimbursed because I'm not a hypocrite.

We can cut $6Billion off the defense budget right now just by not reimbursing this purely optional service.
 
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I wish I had your love of old homes. It seems as if every time I start a project it turns into a bigger one. Anyway good for you! My house was built in 1910 and has been a nightmare.

My sister used to own a home made around the turn of the 20th century that never got completely renovated. Every time I walked out of it I was glad it wan't mine.
 
For just my own income, Lower Middle Class
For my Wife's and mine jointly, Upper Middle Class

Neither have more than a High School Diploma

Both voted AGAINST Obama
 
Education ALWAYS does equate to increased income. What a lot of people don't realize is that education may be a trade, and not some degree.

The College-Graduate Glut: Evidence From Labor Markets - Innovations - The Chronicle of Higher Education
The large differential between the earnings of high-school and college graduates is often cited as proof that college has a high payoff. Elsewhere I have argued that this is not an entirely useful comparison, since the behavioral traits of high-school graduates are markedly different than those who complete college. Moreover, those differentials have actually narrowed some in recent years. Compare 2008 and 2010, looking at the average earnings of those working full-time, year-round. For males with a high-school education, earnings rose 1.87 percent, while for those with bachelor’s degrees, they fell 4.17 percent (for those with master’s degrees, earnings were essentially unchanged). Those with a less than 9th-grade education fared better in terms of earnings change than those with degrees, whether associate, bachelor’s, or master’s. In inflation-adjusted terms, the earnings of those with bachelor’s degrees on average fell well over five percent (and over $3,500 in absolute dollars) at a time when college costs were rising at least as much.

Mass production or education can be cheaper. If the three local colleges are geared to teach 500 each, then the 500 average will be cheaper to educate than the 5. When demand gets too low, then it also become expensive to keep producing.

500 was an arbitrary number. When you are telling an entire generation that college is a requirement for gainful employment (in some cases, it is, such as fields like legal and medical), than you have an overwhelming issue of greater demand than supply. While it is true that a greater amount of students, per college, should decrease the OPEX\CAPEX costs of the given university, this is not what is actually occurring.

Tuition and Fee and Room and Board Charges over Time, 1972-73 through 2012-13, Selected Years | Trends in Higher Education | Trends in Higher Education
Average published tuition and fees at public four-year colleges and universities increased by 31% beyond the rate of inflation over the five years from 2002-03 to 2007-08, and by another 27% between 2007-08 and 2012-13.

Long story short, our leadership in this country seriously needs to embrace tariffs on the export of jobs. A society of college graduates does not make a healthy economy. A society that can provide jobs in all workforce tiers (blue collar, white collar, executive) though, can have a lasting and sustainable economy.
 
What an absolute lying set of poll questions.

The "wealthy" are NOT the "capitalist" class.

The president, members of Congress, union presidents, officers of the Red Cross and other charities, many church leaders, political consultants, all media talking heads, and even some union pensioners are "wealthy/rich."

The wording of the poll is just more Democrat "I HATE FREE ENTERPRISE" crap.

Or take our household... we reach into the top 1%, which is upper middle class actually - and none of us own a business. In fact, 100% of our income comes from the government. And compared to most people its a lot.
 
On my salary alone, lower middle class. Joint the salaries would put us at he top end of upper middle class.

Either way, we Both voted democrat.
 
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My sister used to own a home made around the turn of the 20th century that never got completely renovated. Every time I walked out of it I was glad it wan't mine.

Amen. Many a day I walked out of that house hoping it would burn to the ground. It really is nice now but it took for freakin ever.
 
I'm gona rat out my buddies here because I think this is bull****. A perfect example of government waste.

Ok, so, over-seas we get separation pay. No problem. I think that's good. Also, most FOBs and COPs have a USO or an MWR with free internet and phones. I'm good with that. I think tax-payers helping to pay for those things is good and justified as it greatly helps servicemen stay connected and thus focus on our job. In addition to these services, many private companies have sprout up to offer servicemen better internet access than the USO offers; and we can have it in our own room, no need to take a number and wait in line at the USO for a 30-minute call. This service costs a premium, topping at about $60-$90 per-week, depending on the package the servicemen selects. Sounds great, right? The servicemen pays for it.

Here's the bull****: When the servicemen de-mobs, that servicemen will fill out a travel voucher. The voucher reimburses the servicemen for various valid travel costs such as living in base without a PX. But the servicemen can also claim the entire amount he paid for the optional premium internet service he didn't need because there was a USO or MWR nearby. At $90 per-week X 47 weeks in-country = $4,230 per-service-member X 1,414,000 service members over seas link = $5,981,220,000...JUST FOR INTERNET!!! THAT WE DIDN'T NEED!!

Let us spend his money on it if we want, but do not reimburse it if we were on a base that had a USO or MWR. I spent my money on a lot of High Speed Internet For Soldiers In US Bases In Afghanistan & Iraq , and no I did nt ask for any of it to be reimbursed because I'm not a hypocrite.

We can cut $6Billion off the defense budget right now just by not reimbursing this purely optional service.

I think the black helicopters will be flying over your house shortly.
 
For just my own income, Lower Middle Class
For my Wife's and mine jointly, Upper Middle Class

Neither have more than a High School Diploma

Both voted AGAINST Obama

Romney was good at convincing people without a pot to piss in that it is a good idea to give tax breaks to the rich, now that's leadership. [borrowed from lewis black]
 
Romney was good at convincing people without a pot to piss in that it is a good idea to give tax breaks to the rich, now that's leadership. [borrowed from lewis black]

did you ever consider that some people who are poor actually might want to escape that condition rather than buying into the dem lie that they cannot escape their fate and must live off the government the rest of their lives

the GOP has no interest in keeping people poor and dependent and voting DEM. the DEMS do
 
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