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Thread: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wait? So Congress does not determine funding? When did this happen?
    Note how he said "president's turf," a weasel word, because no doubt fully aware that it was against the law, but he doesn't care.

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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    North got off and is now a respected voice in the so called "conservative" community.
    Yeah the darlings of the GOP, the ACLU, got his convictions vacated because his Congressional testimony for which he was granted immunity was used against him in his criminal trial. Lord forbid somebody defend the rights of a conservative white guy. He is respected moreso because of his military service and service to veterans than because of his politics. He, afterall, did not win a Senate seat in VA when VA was a red state. Nobody seriously pays attention to his politics.

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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Yeah the darlings of the GOP, the ACLU, got his convictions vacated because his Congressional testimony for which he was granted immunity was used against him in his criminal trial. Lord forbid somebody defend the rights of a conservative white guy. He is respected moreso because of his military service and service to veterans than because of his politics. He, afterall, did not win a Senate seat in VA when VA was a red state. Nobody seriously pays attention to his politics.
    Interesting how the ACLU is seen as a "liberal" organization, isn't it?
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Interesting how the ACLU is seen as a "liberal" organization, isn't it?
    Probably moreso because they get tagged by the right with the work really being done by the Southern Poverty Law Center, but yes, though when pressed, the argument usually becomes something along the lines they used to be a good organization, but now they only represent the liberal agenda because they have been taken hostage by minorities and abortionists. I have to admit, I think their no religion anywhere near a public place doctrine damages their larger cause, but whatever, as I could give a tinker's darn about whether or not the 10 Commandments are displayed anywhere.

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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Probably moreso because they get tagged by the right with the work really being done by the Southern Poverty Law Center, but yes, though when pressed, the argument usually becomes something along the lines they used to be a good organization, but now they only represent the liberal agenda because they have been taken hostage by minorities and abortionists. I have to admit, I think their no religion anywhere near a public place doctrine damages their larger cause, but whatever, as I could give a tinker's darn about whether or not the 10 Commandments are displayed anywhere.
    The stated mission of the ACLU is exactly what the mission of the government is supposed to be: To protect our Constitutional rights. If they've become a "liberal" organization, then there are two possibilities that come to mind:

    Either they've strayed from t he original mission, or
    What is seen as a liberal agenda is actually based on Constitutional rights.
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The stated mission of the ACLU is exactly what the mission of the government is supposed to be: To protect our Constitutional rights. If they've become a "liberal" organization, then there are two possibilities that come to mind:

    Either they've strayed from t he original mission, or
    What is seen as a liberal agenda is actually based on Constitutional rights.
    We will just have to disagree about what constitutes a Constitutional Right. While not a strict constructionist per se, I err on the side of not using the commerce and now the tax provisions as to do whatever the hell the government wants to do because somebody just wants it to be that way.

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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    We will just have to disagree about what constitutes a Constitutional Right. While not a strict constructionist per se, I err on the side of not using the commerce and now the tax provisions as to do whatever the hell the government wants to do because somebody just wants it to be that way.
    Constitutional rights are supposed to limit the powers of government and give to the citizens the rights to make their own decisions. The ACLU represents individuals, not the government.
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Iran Contra no doubt.

    Sell Arms to Iran then giving money to fascist guerrillas in Nicargua. Both transactions were contrary to acts of Congress which in return prohibited the funding of the Contras and the sale of weapons to Iran. And both actions violated UN sanctions.


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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    If all the fluff, double-talk, and presidential involvement was set aside, and the true nature of Iran-Contra is laid bare, it was technically treasonous. Think about it: An American presidential administration was involved in selling arms to our country's "enemy", an enemy that had violated international law by breaching USA sovereign territory and holding American citizens hostage, in order to secretly support a foreign war in violation of an act of congress.

    That, folks, is treason. Yes, yes, for political reasons the big "T" was never really mentioned, and all the players were either slapped on the wrist, pardoned, or given immunity... but the bottom line is that it was a rogue Whitehouse crapping on congress, on the judiciary, with secret arms sales to our sworn enemy while violating an act of congress. Nobody can reasonably compare than with a bungled burglary, and the "I am not a crook" lie whether it brought down the presidency or not.

    Lying about a blowjob, bad. Impeachable offense? More like political opportunism, and only in America.

    But tossing "Bengazi-gate" alongside the truly treasonous, when the only "crime" was having conflicted intelligence about a terrorist attack in *gasp!* an election year? That doesn't even rise to the level of scandal, despite the desperate fantasies of those who for whatever reason wish to elevate the fog of war surrounding a national tragedy into a game of partisian hacksmanship.

    Just creating this poll in order to lump the Bengazi tragedy in with such aggregious prior travesties offends me. Perhaps that's because Ambassador Stevens was from my hometown. He was born here; he was buried here. His family not only had to deal with their grief over his death, they are devastated at how their son's loss has been exploited by political opportunists. Perhaps that's why I am more offended than most by the continued manipulation of this tragedy by partisian hackery.

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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Benghazi IF it turns out that the President knew his administration was misleading the American people.

    Which, I think, at this point, is likely, but not proven.
    Are you seriously saying that is worse then committing HIGH treason by selling weapons to America's enemies and then taking that money to fund terrorists to overthrow a freely elected Democratic government by bombing, murder, rape, kidnapping and maiming thousands of people?

    Get some perspective.
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