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Thread: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Teapot Dome was before my time. I don't remember it.

    What is it that makes watergate the most historically significant? As I recall, it was a coverup of a burglary, involving the president. Certainly, the POTUS being involved in such a thing is a scandal, but how was it bigger than the others?
    From my understanding, Watergate set two important precedents. First was that presidents are not above the law. Second was a championing of the press as a check on elected leaders.

    In terms of historical significance, I think Watergate is the biggest. That's why every other scandal keeps getting the "gate" attached, to attempt to invoke the seriousness of the bigger issue.
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    So much to choose from so little time. I did choose one but immediiately changed my mind. I am not buying benghazi so that out. But all the other three are the product of self absorbed human beings who were only interested in thier own gain at the expense of others.
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Watergate, Iran Contra, the Monica Lewinski affair, or the mess in Bengazi?

    Why?
    Iran Contra from that list as it was technically high treason.
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Teapot Dome was before my time. I don't remember it.

    What is it that makes watergate the most historically significant? As I recall, it was a coverup of a burglary, involving the president. Certainly, the POTUS being involved in such a thing is a scandal, but how was it bigger than the others?
    Water gate dominated the news like nothing else I have ever seen in my lifetime for a long period of time. In and of itself that was significant.

    It involved Richard Nixon - probably the most important figure of the quarter century from 1950 through 1975.

    It flipped the script on the entire Kennedy government service is good and we saw government service as part of a criminal conspiracy for its own selfish purposes. And that ended an era and changed the thinking of millions of people.

    It centered around the only time a sitting President of the USA had to resign or face impeachment in which his conviction by the Senate was assured.
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    OK, time for me to chime in on my own thread. There have been some excellent points brought up already.

    Paschendale says:

    From my understanding, Watergate set two important precedents. First was that presidents are not above the law. Second was a championing of the press as a check on elected leaders.
    which is a good point. Other than that, Watergate was simply a coverup of a burglary that most likely did nothing at all to influence the election anyway. The president was impeached for covering it up to protect his supporters, which was a prime example of bad judgement on the part of the POTUS.

    Compare that to the Lewinski affair, Clinton was not tried for failure to keep his pants zipped, but for lying under oath. How that is less impeachable than covering up a burglary, I'm not sure. Most likely, the general political climate was different during the Clinton era than during the political turmoil of Vietnam and Civil Rights.

    Neither was particularly egregious, IMO, but removing the POTUS was/would have been justified in either case.

    As for Bengazi, just what laws were broken? This one appears to me to have been a massive screw up on the part of bureaucrats who were below cabinet level positions. It's not half the big deal that it's being made out to be.

    That could be wrong, of course. We don't have all of the facts yet.

    Now, that brings us to Iran Contra, the selling of arms to the enemy (treason), and using the profits to subvert the will of Congress. In that one, the Constitutional separation of powers was at risk. Moreover, a burglary or perjury does not even come close to treason. It's like comparing shoplifting to armed robbery, a whole other level of wrongdoing.

    Iran Contra is the biggest of the four scandals, no question.

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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Watergate. After the several hitter of many political leaders and figures being assassinated, and being promised to have a sense of sanity in charge-a massive scandal such as that just undermined people's confidence in governance for quite some time.
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    OK, time for me to chime in on my own thread. There have been some excellent points brought up already.

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    which is a good point. Other than that, Watergate was simply a coverup of a burglary that most likely did nothing at all to influence the election anyway. The president was impeached for covering it up to protect his supporters, which was a prime example of bad judgement on the part of the POTUS.

    Compare that to the Lewinski affair, Clinton was not tried for failure to keep his pants zipped, but for lying under oath. How that is less impeachable than covering up a burglary, I'm not sure. Most likely, the general political climate was different during the Clinton era than during the political turmoil of Vietnam and Civil Rights.

    Neither was particularly egregious, IMO, but removing the POTUS was/would have been justified in either case.

    As for Bengazi, just what laws were broken? This one appears to me to have been a massive screw up on the part of bureaucrats who were below cabinet level positions. It's not half the big deal that it's being made out to be.

    That could be wrong, of course. We don't have all of the facts yet.

    Now, that brings us to Iran Contra, the selling of arms to the enemy (treason), and using the profits to subvert the will of Congress. In that one, the Constitutional separation of powers was at risk. Moreover, a burglary or perjury does not even come close to treason. It's like comparing shoplifting to armed robbery, a whole other level of wrongdoing.

    Iran Contra is the biggest of the four scandals, no question.

    IMHO, of course.
    Excellent post, excellent analysis, right on the money.

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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Lewinsky wasn't even the biggest one in that administration, let alone ever. Whitewater was a bigger faux pas than anything involving Monica.

    Of the ones listed, Watergate was mostly publicity, and I'd go with Iran-Contra. I'm surprised that more "socialists" didn't come around and regurgitate pro-Allende/anti-Pinochet propaganda.

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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Lewinsky wasn't even the biggest one in that administration, let alone ever. Whitewater was a bigger faux pas than anything involving Monica.

    Of the ones listed, Watergate was mostly publicity, and I'd go with Iran-Contra. I'm surprised that more "socialists" didn't come around and regurgitate pro-Allende/anti-Pinochet propaganda.
    The support of the coup itself wasn't that big, especially since much of the bad things happened after the coup. No question it was terrible, but hardly on the same level as selling weapons to our enemies to fund the overthrow of openly, duly and freely elected democratic government by terrorists who killed, maimed, kidnapped and raped thousands of civilians.
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Watergate, Iran Contra, the Monica Lewinski affair, or the mess in Bengazi?

    Why?
    Benghazi IF it turns out that the President knew his administration was misleading the American people.

    Which, I think, at this point, is likely, but not proven.

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