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Thread: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Iran-Contra.

    Selling weapons to our enemies to fund rebels that raped, murdered, maimed and pillaged a democratically elected government.

    Good luck topping that.
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Voters should have to put their birthdate next to their names. I suspect that those who came AFTER Watergate really do not understand how huge and devastating it actually was. Watergate dwarfs everything else on that list.
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    In 1953?
    That's when we help overthrow a democratically elected government in Iran and replace it with a Dictator called the Shah
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    That's when we help overthrow a democratically elected government in Iran and replace it with a Dictator called the Shah
    Oh.

    By the time Ollie North and Co. got around to selling arms to Iran, the Shaw was gone, wasn't he? Wasn't Iran considered an enemy of the United States?
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Voters should have to put their birthdate next to their names. I suspect that those who came AFTER Watergate really do not understand how huge and devastating it actually was. Watergate dwarfs everything else on that list.
    1943. Iran contra-cocaine, we armed terrorists, Mena Arkansas, death (Seal), treason, aircraft parts to the Ayatollah, attempted overthrow of Democratically elected regime, perjury, and the list is endless. Watetgate was local crimes, Iran Contra was International crimes undermining all the principles we profess to hold sacred.

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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    teapot dome didn't make the list?

    out of those chosen, watergate was probably the most historically significant, with Iran contra being right up there, too.

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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    teapot dome didn't make the list?

    out of those chosen, watergate was probably the most historically significant, with Iran contra being right up there, too.
    Teapot Dome was before my time. I don't remember it.

    What is it that makes watergate the most historically significant? As I recall, it was a coverup of a burglary, involving the president. Certainly, the POTUS being involved in such a thing is a scandal, but how was it bigger than the others?
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh.

    By the time Ollie North and Co. got around to selling arms to Iran, the Shaw was gone, wasn't he? Wasn't Iran considered an enemy of the United States?
    Correct, but why did the clergy get power to begin with? Because they fed off of the resentment towards the Shah and the United States. They gained popularity in Iran because they dared to go against a brutal dictator. We set up a government to be friendly towards us while at the same time suppressing the people of Iran. Iranians didn't like that at all and went to anyone who would oppose and fight....it happened to be a group that was far more hostile to us then the original democratically elected government happened to be.

    It is the same thing that is happening in Egypt right now. We set up Mubarak and he was a suppressive dictator (though I don't believe he was as brutal as the Shah in Iran) and now we're faced with a government that is not very friendly towards us.

    We created this by propping up dictators and suppressive governments.
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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Teapot Dome was before my time. I don't remember it.

    What is it that makes watergate the most historically significant? As I recall, it was a coverup of a burglary, involving the president. Certainly, the POTUS being involved in such a thing is a scandal, but how was it bigger than the others?
    it was the one scandal that actually brought down a president completely. additionally, since then, pretty much every scandal has had "gate" attached to it. it seems to have the most historical weight and reach.

    the Iran Contra scandal beats Watergate by far in the scope of human tragedy, however. looking at it that way, it's possible to consider that scandal to be the most egregious.

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    Re: Which was the most egregious political scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Correct, but why did the clergy get power to begin with? Because they fed off of the resentment towards the Shah and the United States. They gained popularity in Iran because they dared to go against a brutal dictator. We set up a government to be friendly towards us while at the same time suppressing the people of Iran. Iranians didn't like that at all and went to anyone who would oppose and fight....it happened to be a group that was far more hostile to us then the original democratically elected government happened to be.

    It is the same thing that is happening in Egypt right now. We set up Mubarak and he was a suppressive dictator (though I don't believe he was as brutal as the Shah in Iran) and now we're faced with a government that is not very friendly towards us.

    We created this by propping up dictators and suppressive governments.
    Propping up dictators and suppressive governments is not generally recognized as a way to bring about democracy and governments friendly to the west, that's for sure.

    Back to the topic at hand: Iran contra involved selling arms to an enemy of the United States, and using the money to fund a war in Nicaragua that the Congress of the United States had refused to support. At least, that's the way I remember it.
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