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    Re: Will There Ever Be a Global Government on Earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    So you want such a repressive and dictatorial government?
    No, I merely observe that it indicates that such a venture is possible.

    Indeed, if merely the top two largest countries combined their government would control 30% of the people, & if the top ten combined their government would control over 50% & with the power & wealth they held theyd pretty much control the world.

    Its not really that hard to imagine, however imagining it doesnt mean that I support it.

    I personally think it will be a very sad day on the day it happens, but I do think, at present, its the direction the people are taking the world in.

    There is a bit of a battle going on, at the moment between the individualists & the collectivists & the collectivists appear on top at present.

    Its sort of like ants.

    Ants have colonies, & super-colonies & the super-colonies are currently driving the regular colonies to extinction.

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    Re: Will There Ever Be a Global Government on Earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    And what series of events would need to occur for such a government to come into existence?
    only one thing can happen that will bring all earthings together under one ruler....a take over by non-earthlings....but we all know that there is no other life forms out there because if there was, we would be sending them financial aid

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    Re: Will There Ever Be a Global Government on Earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    You said we need a single government if we want slavery. Throughout recorded history the world has NEVER had a single government and has ALWAYS had slavery. Thus, your claim is false.
    No, it isn't.

    First off, you are falsely representing my statement to suit your own debating purposes... but I don't know who you are intending to debate on false premises. But I will get to this soon.

    Yes, slavery is the default status quo of the world. Everywhere, in the world there had been nations who have adopted slavery in some form or another, on all continents, on all islands. It was in fact until European countries in the late XVIIIth have decided to abolish slavery that this... form of social strata had begun to be destroyed. Again, this is world wide. There were isolated cases all over the world... maybe even not so isolated, where slavery was modified to be more civil... or rather, less barbaric. But it was Europeans who made it possible for the greatest egalitarian movement in history to happen. No other people could have done it.

    But. My statement that if we want slavery we should adopt a global government doesn't mean that we never had slavery before. It just means that if we want to enslave ourselves, deny ourselves our rights and be all subjected to an undemocratic rule of oligarchs, then yes, we should adopt a global government. There has never been one, that is true. But if there will be one, it will be horrible. You, the little person, the small man, will be squashed under the boots of the bureaucracy, the oligarchs and the undemocratic. Granted, slavery will never return to the form it was 200 years ago. As neither will fascism or communism return to the way they were in their "glory days". But there are always new forms of enslavement, of tyranny, and even now, we are subjected to them. All in the name of bigger government.

    Also, by "never" I mean during our lifetime (60-100 years). Not really never. Because as Justin Bieber said: never say never :P. The last part was my attempt at humor.

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    Re: Will There Ever Be a Global Government on Earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    No, it isn't.

    First off, you are falsely representing my statement to suit your own debating purposes... but I don't know who you are intending to debate on false premises. But I will get to this soon.

    Yes, slavery is the default status quo of the world. Everywhere, in the world there had been nations who have adopted slavery in some form or another, on all continents, on all islands. It was in fact until European countries in the late XVIIIth have decided to abolish slavery that this... form of social strata had begun to be destroyed. Again, this is world wide. There were isolated cases all over the world... maybe even not so isolated, where slavery was modified to be more civil... or rather, less barbaric. But it was Europeans who made it possible for the greatest egalitarian movement in history to happen. No other people could have done it.

    But. My statement that if we want slavery we should adopt a global government doesn't mean that we never had slavery before. It just means that if we want to enslave ourselves, deny ourselves our rights and be all subjected to an undemocratic rule of oligarchs, then yes, we should adopt a global government. There has never been one, that is true. But if there will be one, it will be horrible. You, the little person, the small man, will be squashed under the boots of the bureaucracy, the oligarchs and the undemocratic. Granted, slavery will never return to the form it was 200 years ago. As neither will fascism or communism return to the way they were in their "glory days". But there are always new forms of enslavement, of tyranny, and even now, we are subjected to them. All in the name of bigger government.

    Also, by "never" I mean during our lifetime (60-100 years). Not really never. Because as Justin Bieber said: never say never :P. The last part was my attempt at humor.
    I disagree that a global government would necessarily be an oligarchy rather than a democracy. Given today's culture it is likely an oligarchy would win out. But in the future, one in which it is highly likely the world would be much more interconnected than even the internet dependent world of today, I believe the will of the people will be much more influential.

    But I think we can both agree, that whatever that world looks like, let's hope Bieber doesn't make it onto the oldies stations.

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    Re: Will There Ever Be a Global Government on Earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    I disagree that a global government would necessarily be an oligarchy rather than a democracy. Given today's culture it is likely an oligarchy would win out. But in the future, one in which it is highly likely the world would be much more interconnected than even the internet dependent world of today, I believe the will of the people will be much more influential.

    But I think we can both agree, that whatever that world looks like, let's hope Bieber doesn't make it onto the oldies stations.
    +1 like on the last part.

    I do disagree with your first paragraph and will in fact present to you that in 10 years time, 100 years time or more, people will still be susceptible to the same manipulations that they are today... because the same tools are used today (updated ofc, but the same blueprint) as they were used 100 years ago, and the 100 years before that and so on and so forth. Manipulation through fear, through crisis, through all that good stuff.

    The only way to break the cycle is to teach this to everybody and that means having everybody, or at least a majority of active, involved people, fluent in political history. Otherwise, history will just do what it always did... mock those who don't know it by repeating itself.

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    Re: Will There Ever Be a Global Government on Earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    You mean the League of Nations? And then the UN and all that? That isn't a global government.
    I'm talking about the treaties and international laws all signing nations are bound to since the end of the First World War.

    And the EU is something like a confederation... only a top-down form of confederation.
    Top down from what? The EU has an elected Parliament.

    However, a global government is one of genocidal notions, up there with one culture, one people, one everything. It brings over the stench of monopolism and communism.
    lol, where are you getting this from?
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    Re: Will There Ever Be a Global Government on Earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    I'm talking about the treaties and international laws all signing nations are bound to since the end of the First World War.

    Top down from what? The EU has an elected Parliament.


    lol, where are you getting this from?
    yes, the EU has an elected parliament. And so does every country who pertains to the notions of a republic. Great. So, how does that help? You know who else had elected parliaments? The communists. Did the people manage to live in an Utopia as they were promised? No. Did the parliament to anything to curb themselves from a ruinous totalitarian rule? No. Why? Because the culture of the parliament was that of bringing about more totalitarianism, more poverty, more ruin to the people. Just like the culture of the EU parliament is to bring about eternal debt and they have voted into existence, and into function starting from 1st of January 2013 , a new bank of perpetual debt -> the ESM (European stability mechanism).

    I am getting it from history and by using my own brain.

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    Re: Will There Ever Be a Global Government on Earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    yes, the EU has an elected parliament. And so does every country who pertains to the notions of a republic. Great. So, how does that help? You know who else had elected parliaments? The communists.
    You must be joking.

    Did the people manage to live in an Utopia as they were promised? No. Did the parliament to anything to curb themselves from a ruinous totalitarian rule? No. Why? Because the culture of the parliament was that of bringing about more totalitarianism, more poverty, more ruin to the people. Just like the culture of the EU parliament is to bring about eternal debt and they have voted into existence, and into function starting from 1st of January 2013 , a new bank of perpetual debt -> the ESM (European stability mechanism).
    You clearly have no idea what a parliament is if you think it's some "communist" construct. Parliaments have existed as a form of representative governance far before Karl Marx's grandfather was a twinkle in his daddy's eye.

    I am getting it from history and by using my own brain.
    You may want to find better sources of information. You don't even understand what a confederation is, let alone a parliament. Both of which the United States utilized to great effect.
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    Re: Will There Ever Be a Global Government on Earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    You must be joking. knock knock

    You clearly have no idea what a parliament is if you think it's some "communist" construct. Parliaments have existed as a form of representative governance far before Karl Marx's grandfather was a twinkle in his daddy's eye.

    I never said that Parliament is a communist construct. I cannot even imagine how you would understand from this: "yes, the EU has an elected parliament. And so does every country who pertains to the notions of a republic. Great. So, how does that help? You know who else had elected parliaments? The communists." that Parliament is a communist construct. Where did I say that it is a communist construct? All I said was that commies had it to. Why? Because the USSR = union of soviet SOCIALIST REPUBLICS. And so did the other states who were opressed under the iron curtain, they too, were still republics. But they were communist. The rest of the world who wasn't suffering under the boot communism also had republics. From the correct western republics in Europe and other western nations to the freed colonies and what naught. I cannot imagine how you could derive that I said that Parliament was a communist construct..



    You may want to find better sources of information. You don't even understand what a confederation is, let alone a parliament. Both of which the United States utilized to great effect.
    You're just making a fool of yourself dude. I told you what a confederacy is, I gave you examples, the best of which is Switzerland. Here is the quote:
    "Switzerland is, as far as I am aware, the only federation that can be called a confederation in its purest form. I like it, but it works for Switzerland, not the world. " from my comment found on the previous page.

    My god, talking to you is like talking to a dog. Or something lower... a demagogue. Or something even lower than that, a socialist.
    Jesus. You are the almost going to panopticon level.

    It appears to me that you are the one who is disconnected to any language that can be perceived as being logical, sane or in tune with the thing you are talking about.

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    Re: Will There Ever Be a Global Government on Earth?

    If that's what helps you sleep at night.

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