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Thread: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    I don't support secession because I think revolution would be more fun, secession is kinda for pussies.

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    We wouldn't have won any of our wars without them. Our enemies would love to have to face only multicultie girlymen. The blue states are yellow.
    Well, we know of one war the blue states won without 'them', don't we?

    Really a post revealing an almost incomprehensible lack of the history of the United States. In addition to being stupidly offensive to every man who fought and died for this country that was from a state other than the former confederate states.
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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    And what rights must be compromised?
    During the real war (WW2), the Japanese Americans were interred.
    Young men were drafted....many to be cannon fodder....war is hell.....
    Rationing of goods, even as I recall , limits to free speech.
    It was felt that these limitations of rights were necessary for us to win this war.
    I feel that its more important to win a war as quickly as possible.....rights must be compromised.

    As to the guns and the future ban......England has done this.....I am anti-gun...the wild west is no more.....

    And the silly seccession of individual states...to them....grow up...get over it....this can never be a good thing...

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    I think that 8 years ago, in 2004, if the people who hated Bush had started talking about secession, fox news and the like would have accused them of all kinds of treasonous anti-American things.

    I think succession should be dealt with the way Lincoln did, destroy their economy, force feed them with progressive morality, and then forgive their treason when they surrender on their knees.

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    During the real war (WW2), the Japanese Americans were interred.
    Young men were drafted....many to be cannon fodder....war is hell.....
    Rationing of goods, even as I recall , limits to free speech.
    It was felt that these limitations of rights were necessary for us to win this war.
    I feel that its more important to win a war as quickly as possible.....rights must be compromised.

    As to the guns and the future ban......England has done this.....I am anti-gun...the wild west is no more.....

    And the silly seccession of individual states...to them....grow up...get over it....this can never be a good thing...
    I can see nothing good come from detaining people based on their race. And the fact that you relate owning a gun with the wild west shows your ignorance when it comes to firearms.

    Rationing and conscription is one thing but using a war to attack people based on race alone and to further an agenda falls into a different category. Just about everyone involved in shipping Japanese Americans off to camps in the desert ans so on admit that it was a mistake.


    By the time the Japanese-American cases reached the Supreme Court the crisis which was supposed to justify the government�s action had passed. The Court, according to Rostow, faced two issues: should it automatically accept the judgment of the military as to the need for the relocation program, or should it require a judicial investigation of the question? Was there factual support for the military judgment that the course of war required the exclusion and confinement of the Japanese American population of the West Coast? Clearly, Rostow points out, if such steps were not necessary to the prosecution of the war, they invaded rights protected by the Third Article of the Constitution and the Fifth and Sixth Amendments.22
    By its action the court upheld the main parts of the program and converted a war-time doctrine into a permanent part of the law. What the Supreme Court did in these cases, and especially in Korematsu v. U.S. was to increase the strength of the military in relation to civil government and for the first time in American legal history seriously weakened the protection of our basic civil right, the writ of habeas corpus.2 82.03.01: When Military Necessity Overrides Constitutional Guarantees: The Treatment of Japanese Americans During World War II

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The Patriot Act was triggered by an act of war (9-11), an Islamist terrorist attack,...You want our government to do nothing ?????
    Its not "political convenience", its the protection of our people !
    During war time, rights must be compromised.
    But, I do think we got "carried away"....
    I seem to recall someone saying that "he who is willing to trade freedom for security, deserves neither". I tend to agree, mostly because once the feds grab power, they are extremely reluctant to let it go, and if I were to guess, I don't think we will ever see the Patriot Act dissolved, but will see gradually more of our rights stomped upon.
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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    I would contribute money to assist the once great state of California to secede...all the illegals in the entire southwest would be heading for the golden state.
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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I would contribute money to assist the once great state of California to secede...all the illegals in the entire southwest would be heading for the golden state.
    Thats a tempting sales line.

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Seems a bit pointless since no state wanting secede would ever meet all of those requirements. And I guess the idea of a state seceding is acceptable to you since you believe that the attempt would be for good reasons and not bad ones. What if Communist's were behind the drive for secession?
    As of right now I honestly don't think any state would be able to meet those requirements, however, those petitions going around don't come close to reflecting the actual support that's out there. What if the majority of this nation voted communists into office and a particular state was trying to get away from that?
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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigchief View Post
    As of right now I honestly don't think any state would be able to meet those requirements, however, those petitions going around don't come close to reflecting the actual support that's out there. What if the majority of this nation voted communists into office and a particular state was trying to get away from that?
    Thats just the thing though it would not be just one particular state trying to get away from an unjust system. ANd at that point the United States as we knew would no longer exist, so therefor secession wouldnt be what that state was engaged in. It would be called Civil War not secession. In order for Communism to take over the US Constitution would no longer exist.

    Secession would be a state trying to leave the union while the US Constitution was still intact. As long as the US Constitution is intact the attempt of a state to secede is an act of war on the perceptual Union. When the Constitution was ratified we went from a Confederacy to a centralized Government. And the Constitution lays out that type of Government.

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