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Thread: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Intricate View Post
    NDAA 2012 Sec. 1021 and 1022, allowing indefinite detention of American citizens. Violation the fourth, fifth, and sixth amendment.
    USA Patriot Act, allowing warrant-less searches and seizures, violation of the fourth amendment.

    That's just two examples, there are many more. Our rights are not optional, able to be tossed aside for political convenience. The government recognizes and secures our rights, it doesn't issue and revoke them. All such violations of our rights are unacceptable and we need to hold the government accountable.
    The Patriot Act was triggered by an act of war (9-11), an Islamist terrorist attack,...You want our government to do nothing ?????
    Its not "political convenience", its the protection of our people !
    During war time, rights must be compromised.
    But, I do think we got "carried away"....

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The Patriot Act was triggered by an act of war (9-11), an Islamist terrorist attack,...You want our government to do nothing ?????
    Its not "political convenience", its the protection of our people !
    During war time, rights must be compromised.
    But, I do think we got "carried away"....
    And what rights must be compromised?

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    I think there have always been and always will be legitimate reasons to secede, but "OMG OUR GUY LOST!!!" is not one of them.


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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    If Texas decided to secede, every Texan would have to make a difficult decision between becoming a soldier or becoming a refugee.
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    The systems that ensure freedom and liberty are breaking down and fundamentalism is growing. Nobody is righteous anymore.


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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    I think that secession should be the right of any serious territory/body of people, but making silly drama on behalf of their very rich masters is a game for illiterate peasants. I understand that parts of Texas are pretty backward, but are they really as backward as that?

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Nobody should try to stop any state who wants to secede. This country was founded on a violent revolution, which means we aren't afraid to fight for what we want. Just make sure that you really want what you are getting.

    If a state secedes, they lose the backing of the military, in all cases. If war comes to US soil, the states who seceded will be fighting the same war, without the immense power of our military (and also without our immense weapons ). Don't think for a minute that Iraq, or North Korea or anyone else who wants us all dead in a fiery mushroom cloud is going to give one damn about state lines.

    If they lose the military, they also lose the National Guard, who is there to help in many instances like flooding, forest fires and the like. They also lose the financial backing of the National Guard.

    If they are border states, they will have to have their own Border Patrol. Good luck building that fence now.

    Passports will have to be surrendered.

    Funding for highways, bridges, madical facilities, transportation, infrastructure and education will cease immediately.

    Don't think your Congressman will be able to help, because he will be asked to leave Washington.

    The FAA will no longer be available to you, so until you develop your own air traffic control system, no flights in or out of your state will allowed.

    The FCC will no longer be available to you, so you are now responsible for licensing your own radio and TV stations, as well as telephone and internet.

    Anyone receiving Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, VA disability or SSDI will have to reapply. Congress will then have to decide whether or not to allow this aid to be made available to foreigners from the US government.

    The Coast Guard will no longer be available to you if you are a coastal state, so you are responsible for monitoring your own illegal drug smuggling and foreign invaders.

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    I wish I could take credit for this list, but cannot. It does, however, make you look at secession differently. Did me, anyway.

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    the problem would be the obvious one. Who gets what? The Jesus map is a farce of some demented Limbaugh fan.

    Each group would have to have access to the Atlantic and Pacific, the Mississippi, deep water ports, the food belt and industry.

    How would the people be moved who wanted to leave. Be compensated for thier loss of job, business or property? Would busineses corporations and industry just suddenly pack up and move?

    How would the military be divided? How would short range and medium range nukes be handled. Treaty. What if one group said no?

    Government files, agencies, international organizations, companies, infrastructure?

    If you think its as easy as drawing a line in the sand think real hard and then think again.
    The Nukes belong to the Enlightened States of America. That's where they are now, and that's where they should stay. Really - you'd trust these demented Far Right Extremists with nuclear weapons?
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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    I think that secession should be the right of any serious territory/body of people, but making silly drama on behalf of their very rich masters is a game for illiterate peasants. I understand that parts of Texas are pretty backward, but are they really as backward as that?
    Yes, but its not just Texas.
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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    I must have struck a nerve or something. I have never gotten this many likes on a post since I've been here.

    Actually. I spend some of my time writing 'stories" about things I am interested in so I can see how they work out in my mind. I wrote one about this subject but I don't share it with people because its very primitive.

    The complications of this subject are just staggering. Back in CW days with only 40 million people this was a very doable thing. Today with 300+ not even in your dreams.

    If Texas is the main force behind this then let them go back to Mexico and se how they like it there compared to here. All talk no brains.
    Actually, I prefer the phrase 'all hat and no cattle'.
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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Talk of secession is is stupid, pointless. This country has been there. Done that. 1,000,000 dead.

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