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Thread: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I don't see a possible scenario where secession won't lead to war. Our nation is interdependent and connected, and if part of that whole were to suddenly disappear from the greater machine, it will create economic disaster. We will either fight to keep ourselves one nation, or fight over the resources that are suddenly held by a neighboring nation that is, by its very design, hostile to our interests. If you want to destroy this country, embroiling it in a second civil war would be the quickest way to do it.
    The North should have let the South secede as long as it gave up claims to West. To compensate for that, it would have been allowed to colonize northern Mexico and the Caribbean islands.
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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Intricate View Post
    NDAA 2012 Sec. 1021 and 1022, allowing indefinite detention of American citizens. Violation the fourth, fifth, and sixth amendment.
    USA Patriot Act, allowing warrant-less searches and seizures, violation of the fourth amendment.

    That's just two examples, there are many more. Our rights are not optional, able to be tossed aside for political convenience. The government recognizes and secures our rights, it doesn't issue and revoke them. All such violations of our rights are unacceptable and we need to hold the government accountable.
    When the Constitution says, "We, the people," which people is it referring to? Since it was cooked up behind closed doors, literally excluding the people, it must have meant "We, the oligarchic clique of wannabe aristocrats." How can you defend a document that is so weak that it allows those few it empowers to violate it, according to your interpretation of it? Who made you the Supreme Court, which an even more exclusive and totalitarian clique?

    Guess what? The Founding Daddies would have kept you out of the Constitutional Convention too, so you're only complaining about something whose powers of exclusion you support. How does that make you feel, or do you like getting bossed around as long as everybody else has to submit to this republican oligarchy too?
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by prometheusbound View Post
    when the constitution says, "we, the people," which people is it referring to? Since it was cooked up behind closed doors, literally excluding the people, it must have meant "we, the oligarchic clique of wannabe aristocrats." how can you defend a document that is so weak that it allows those few it empowers to violate it, according to your interpretation of it? Who made you the supreme court, which an even more exclusive and totalitarian clique?

    Guess what? The founding daddies would have kept you out of the constitutional convention too, so you're only complaining about something whose powers of exclusion you support. How does that make you feel, or do you like getting bossed around as long as everybody else has to submit to this republican oligarchy too?

    wtf???

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glowpun View Post
    So who are these people who talk about secession?
    Good question!

    Texas Nationalist Movement

    Or if you want a list of all of the traitors that want to take over the US or at least portions of it then here you go: Seditionist and Sovereignty Movements in the USA
    Last edited by FreedomFromAll; 11-17-12 at 03:46 PM.

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    The only time i can see secession as acceptable is if the federal government declares martial law in the US or picks and chooses which states to declare martial law in.


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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Intricate View Post
    I think the principle of succession is good, it keeps an extra check on the federal government and allows states a way to defend themselves against corruption. At this point the federal government has consistently violated so many civil liberties as to render itself illegitimate. It may be to the point that only a mass movement of the states can reduce and reform the corrupted federal government.

    Right now, in my opinion, we need to promote and defend states rights and the principles of federalism against the rising trend of authoritarianism in government.
    I agree completely! Something has to keep this monstrosity of a national government we have in check (one that I feel is very unconstitutional), and secession is a good way to keep the bureaucrats in DC in check. However, I doubt there are many federal judges out there that would validate the right to secede.

    I must admit, my history of secession in the US and whether or not states have a constitutional right to do so is limited. A simple search on Google and wikipedia shows me that in the legal/constitutional realm, this issue is very divided. But it seems that in the court of popular opinion most do not support the right of secession. It does say something of the political winds, though, when all 50 states have had secession petitions filed.

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    The United States would be better if Texas secceded and took a handful of Southern States with it.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    As a political statement its more than acceptable. It is warranted now more than ever! We need less main stream conformity and more errant individualism in our politics our government is to powerful. Enough of showing up and going along with the politically correct two partiers in order to show support for the same tired and dangerous policys that keep us stuck.

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by jacobchillerman View Post
    Almost every right we have has been violated. I'll list a few.

    4th Amendment: TSA was founded.

    1st Amendment: Your not allowed to peacefully assemble anymore(remember Occupy?). Oh and you can't protest
    anywhere there might be a secret service agent(which is almost, EVERYWHERE).

    2nd Amendment: They are already trying to work on banning guns.

    That enough for ya?
    TSA = transportation safety , I guess.
    Are we saying that the safety of people is not important...thats its OK for one to go off willie-nillie, the people be damned ?
    Rather selfish, I'd say !
    Or, when a problem exists, do nothing , and the problem will go away ???

    Peacefully assemble ?
    There would be no problem if the people would not abuse this...Like all of the rights, they must be limited.
    I do not want you "peacefully assembling in my back yard....I''ll be the so-called secret agent...lol...

    I'd prefer to see the guns banned, with so many murderous nuts roaming about...
    Try to think of the other man, our population is NOT one......
    And, it is NOT a civil liberty if you step on my toes !
    Its the people who abuse these "rights", NOT the government.

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    Re: Would you oppose secession for ANY reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    Start with the Patriot Act and Defense Autherization. Do you seriously believe that suspension of Habeas Corpus is not a violation of your civil liberty?

    Maybe we should lock you up for a while without even charging you with a crime, a lawyer or even a phone call to give you some time to rethink your position.
    I'll not deny that our government tents to get "carried away", its a human trait.
    The thing is, are these law abiding American Citizens, or are they aliens ? They may say that they are innocent.....criminals do the same.....
    I question the support that these people get ??

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