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    Re: Is violence committed by militant Eco or Animal Rights groups acts of terrorism?

    Terrorism is defined by the act, not the cause.

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    Re: Is violence committed by militant Eco or Animal Rights groups acts of terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I'd need more information than has been given so I err on the side of "Maybe. Just depends." Is "violence" violence against people, violence against property, or both?
    I guess it depends on ones definition of terrorism. Most include a threat of violence against individuals but it also includes any acts of violence to further a political, religious or ideological goal.

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    Re: Is violence committed by militant Eco or Animal Rights groups acts of terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Austin View Post
    Terrorism is defined by the act, not the cause.
    Unless it occurs at Fort Hood by a U.S. citizen/military member, then it is only "workplace violence". We had no problem, back in the day, but now we must be PC in defining the use of the term "terrorism".
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    Re: Is violence committed by militant Eco or Animal Rights groups acts of terrorism?

    Depends

    A stupid act of violence or property destruction absolutely and I am an environmentalist.
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    Re: Is violence committed by militant Eco or Animal Rights groups acts of terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Title says it all.
    Terrorism is the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.So basically two things have to happen in order for something to be terrorist act, the unlawful use of violence and the goal to coerce and or intimidate a group of people with that unlawful use of violence. Merely bombing a building,merely killing someone does not meet that definition of terrorism. So the answer is maybe.
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    Re: Is violence committed by militant Eco or Animal Rights groups acts of terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    I guess it depends on ones definition of terrorism. Most include a threat of violence against individuals but it also includes any acts of violence to further a political, religious or ideological goal.
    I err on the side of caution particularly when it comes to civil disobedience. To me it is highly situational--if a civil rights protestor gets in a scuffle with a policeman or damages property, is it "terrorism"? When we have so diluted the meaning of terrorism it might apply to protests gone poorly, then terrorism has no meaning. Likewise, if a member of ELF burns does something to stop a specific project, it that really trying to promote a political cause by violence against property or is to stop that specific project? I don't know where I come down on some of these other than they are criminal.

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    Re: Is violence committed by militant Eco or Animal Rights groups acts of terrorism?

    Last I read, these groups are considered domestic terrorists (by the government), so I suppose it depends on the exact actions they take.
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    Re: Is violence committed by militant Eco or Animal Rights groups acts of terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Title says it all.
    No, it is absolutely not a terrorism. When they repeatedly destroy a development company's equipments and hospitals' research facilities, those businesses tend to go out of business, and thereby we get a much better brand new opportunity, which is to buy out those newely blighted assets (lands, buildings, etc.) at the penny price. Violence is terrorism ONLY when it is against your interest.

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    Re: Is violence committed by militant Eco or Animal Rights groups acts of terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Last I read, these groups are considered domestic terrorists (by the government), so I suppose it depends on the exact actions they take.
    How unfortunate. There is a better view though, I would like to say, that as soon as the local election board gains a few new members who work for the OTHER guy who was waiting in line for those assets, then domestic terrorism immediately becomes just domestic vandalism.

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    Re: Is violence committed by militant Eco or Animal Rights groups acts of terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    No, it is absolutely not a terrorism. When they repeatedly destroy a development company's equipments and hospitals' research facilities, those businesses tend to go out of business, and thereby we get a much better brand new opportunity, which is to buy out those newely blighted assets (lands, buildings, etc.) at the penny price. Violence is terrorism ONLY when it is against your interest.
    OMG- are you serious? Destruction of private property is a good thing in your opinion?
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