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    Re: healthcare and businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    With the single payer option on health care should individuals be forced to participate?
    I think the whole idea behind single payer is that it is extended to everyone.. so yes, you would. However you would be fully covered without question so its not like you are paying for something you do not get (which can be the case with insurance policies now through denial of certain procedures)
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    Re: healthcare and businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    I think the whole idea behind single payer is that it is extended to everyone.. so yes, you would. However you would be fully covered without question so its not like you are paying for something you do not get (which can be the case with insurance policies now through denial of certain procedures)
    I may not understand what you mean. When you say single payer is that everyone is offered healthcare and they pay for it themselves.
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    Re: healthcare and businesses

    I do not think so...
    Grumman and Republic competed - more or less.
    One paid well but the "health care" had to be purchased, now this is COBRA and its extremely expensive,
    The other did not pay well, but the benefits (free), oh la la...
    The two prospered, back 50 years ago....
    Forcing anything is not a good thing...
    And a business with over 1000 employees (Grumman,Republic) has quite an advantage (numbers).
    AT this point in time, the HC (health care) should be paid for from our taxes..The tea-bagging conservatives will love this........

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    Re: healthcare and businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    With the single payer option on health care should individuals be forced to participate?
    Yes
    Via a healthy tax hike to cover health care.
    The only way, IMO, this can work, is to have 100% participation.
    But, social security did work very well without 100% participating.
    There are differences...

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    Re: healthcare and businesses

    No, in fact they should be discouraged from doing so.

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    Re: healthcare and businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I may not understand what you mean. When you say single payer is that everyone is offered healthcare and they pay for it themselves.
    Rather than write out a detailed explanation I'll just send you a link.

    Single-payer health care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: healthcare and businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Rather than write out a detailed explanation I'll just send you a link.

    Single-payer health care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I see. I was considering that universal healthcare. Most people would agree that health care in this country would decline under this option costing people their lives.
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    Re: healthcare and businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I may not understand what you mean. When you say single payer is that everyone is offered healthcare and they pay for it themselves.
    That's how single payer works. Everyone pays in and everyone is covered. It's simple and efficient.

    I'm not voting in the poll because I support single payer or something similar. I think the businesses should not have to cover health care for employees if we have single payer. If the extremist right continues to be successful in scaring people away from single payer, then I think businesses should have to cover the health care of their employees. And I think it should be whether they're full time or part time. It's not as good, but it's better than leaving people uncovered. No one should ever been without access to health care any more than anyone should ever be without an education, police protection, or fire protection. It's a basic human rights issue.

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    Re: healthcare and businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I see. I was considering that universal healthcare. Most people would agree that health care in this country would decline under this option costing people their lives.
    I don't see why it would decline. I would think more people would be getting into the health-care profession if we provided health-care for everyone.

    We could build hospitals and clinics which would create jobs for construction workers. We would have to hire more doctors and nurses which would create an influx of people going to school for those professions, which creates demand at tech schools/colleges/universities.

    All around this sounds like a good idea to me. On top of all that, its the morally right thing to do in my mind.
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    Re: healthcare and businesses

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Should businesses be forced to offer healthcare to all full time employees? Why or why not?
    Businesses with the capability to do so should pay their employees enough that their employees can afford reasonable health insurance. Forcing companies to offer healthcare plans was seen as a way to ensure companies act morally in that regard. But in the end, companies seem to just pass on the cost to employees and consumers, so it's kind of pointless.

    This is one of the reasons why I think government-run healthcare is needed, paid for through a progressive tax on income. If we think people morally deserve healthcare, or that providing universal access to healthcare would be beneficial to our overall health as a country and an economy, we need the government to do it, because the private market has consistently shown itself to be unwilling to do so.
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