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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    terrorism: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

    I would vote that it depends on the reason of the bombing. If the bomber had the belief that abortion is murder, that a crime was being committed and ignored by society in the clinic, and the bomb was intended to stop these acts, then no, that's not terrorism - in fact, closer to an act of a vigilante. The intent was not to intimidate or coerce; the intent was strictly to stop something from happening using force.

    Nonetheless, the bomber is a nutter who deserves life in jail, despite my own anti-abortion views.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    by what definition? not saying there isn't one that supports you but id like a link to which one does? then if you can provide one i have a simply follow up question.
    Let's see now. Bombing a clinic is an attack on an inanimate object. Terminating a fetus is an attack on an animate object. Do that compute?

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    terrorism: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

    I would vote that it depends on the reason of the bombing. If the bomber had the belief that abortion is murder, that a crime was being committed and ignored by society in the clinic, and the bomb was intended to stop these acts, then no, that's not terrorism - in fact, closer to an act of a vigilante. The intent was not to intimidate or coerce; the intent was strictly to stop something from happening using force.

    Nonetheless, the bomber is a nutter who deserves life in jail, despite my own anti-abortion views.
    The moral/ethical shading of the action (from the perspective of the commissioner of the act) is irrelevant. Whether or not the person doing the act considered it to be ethical/unethical, the goal of "stop something from happening using force" IS coercion.

    Terrorism doesn't cease to be terrorism just because the commissioner of the act believes themselves to be righteous. MOST acts of terrorism are of course committed by people who believe(d) their cause to be just. Whether an act is LEGALLY recognized as terrorism is a political battle, but if we stick to an empirical definition we can cut through that whole mess and concentrate on the actions and goals themselves.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Let's see now. Bombing a clinic is an attack on an inanimate object. Terminating a fetus is an attack on an animate object. Do that compute?
    Bombing a clinic is an attack on patients' access to the medical procedure of abortion (an obviously political goal). Physically destroying or damaging a facility is a means to that end.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Let's see now. Bombing a clinic is an attack on an inanimate object. Terminating a fetus is an attack on an animate object. Do that compute?
    That's too simplistic as there are people involved. It's not an attack on an inanimate object. It's terror, plain pure and simple. There is no justification for it.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Yes, in most contexts it would be.

    These abortion mills shouldn't be allowed to exist, but that doesn't justify breaking the law... handing out punishments for misdeeds is the government's job. When the government isn't doing its job - and it is not - it is our duty to fix that government (or replace it), not take the law in our own hands.

    If we consider John Brown to be a terrorist - and we should, because he was - then abolitionists of abortion who cross the line are as well.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Let's see now. Bombing a clinic is an attack on an inanimate object. Terminating a fetus is an attack on an animate object. Do that compute?
    again I asked what definition of the word terrorism you are using and could you provide a link. So no that dont compute. And so far nothing you said supports your usage of the word.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarhead View Post
    That's too simplistic as there are people involved. It's not an attack on an inanimate object. It's terror, plain pure and simple. There is no justification for it.
    I agree. It's terror to attack a fetus when people are involved. There's something simplistic here alright.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    terrorism: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

    I would vote that it depends on the reason of the bombing. If the bomber had the belief that abortion is murder, that a crime was being committed and ignored by society in the clinic, and the bomb was intended to stop these acts, then no, that's not terrorism - in fact, closer to an act of a vigilante. The intent was not to intimidate or coerce; the intent was strictly to stop something from happening using force.

    Nonetheless, the bomber is a nutter who deserves life in jail, despite my own anti-abortion views.
    this is totally illogical, this would mean the people who did 9/11 arent terrorists. The definition of terrorism doesn't change based on the terrorists beliefs.

    Not to mention how would bombing a clinic killing doctors and patients and employees and people just passing by be ok in the attempt to stop abortion. Sorry thats just nonsense. It terrorism by definition.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    What difference does it make if it's terrorism or not?

    The definition for terrorism is awfully broad.

    It's illegal violence and should be handled as such.

    Why people are so quick to call things 'terrorism' is beyond me.

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