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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    Yes, actually.

    Due to a raft of atrociously bad laws passed during the Clinton and Bush II administrations, merely being ACCUSED of certain criminal acts (including some forms of terrorism) dramatically changes which legal rights -- if any -- you retain.

    I don't recall if domestic terrorism falls within that range of specified crimes, but for those select crimes, you don't have habeas corpus rights or in some cases even a right to a timely trial (i.e. you can be thrown in a dungeon without access to family members or counsel...indefinitely).

    So if the local wiseguy torched a Dry Cleaners because they won't pay protection money and WG wants to send a message to other business owners, that's a crime, but if you're anti abortion and torch an abortion clinic that's a double secret probation crime crime worthy of Guantanamo?

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    So if the local wiseguy torched a Dry Cleaners because they won't pay protection money and WG wants to send a message to other business owners, that's a crime, but if you're anti abortion and torch an abortion clinic that's a double secret probation crime crime worthy of Guantanamo?
    They're both obviously crimes, and either or both could be the basis of terrorism charges, but depending on what the offenders are charged with...one could get a trial, while the other may not.

    The scary part is that the difference is not based upon what one or the other is CONVICTED of, mind you, just what they are CHARGED with.
    I've moved on to a better forum (scienceforums.net). Facts matter, and I don't have the time or energy for putting up with the pretense that they don't. PM me if you'd like me to get in touch with you when I'm done developing my own forum system, likely towards the end of 2013.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    It paints people like Eric Rudolph as terrorists instead of being treated like a hero like he was by quite a few anti-abortion supporters when he was on the lam.
    I think that's an advantage.

    If you get tm ask the motivation of the OP,then I get to ask you what are your motivations?
    As for my motivation I just want to understand the motivation and reasoning of the OP. I see these kind of threads/opinions about making the punishments of certain crimes enhanced compared to similar crimes with similar outcomes based only on the thought process of the perp.

    A crime is a crime, who cares what FU thoughts were in the mind of the creepy perp. By establishing different punishments for similar crimes and similar outcomes you are setting up two classes of victims...the fortunate and the unfortunate.

    All animal-victims are equal, but some are more equal than others. Is that really where you want to go?

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    What advantage is that? Do you think the people who applauded Rudolph are going to think differently about him because he's labeled a terrorist in the MSM?
    Hopefully it'll give some of them second thoughts about bombing abortion clinics if it means they are going to end up at Gitmo with the other terrorists.
    Or the death penalty.
    Christians don't get a free pass on committing terrorist acts just because they worship Jesus.
    I'm going on record on saying that all terrorists should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
    In my opinion bombings are terrorist attacks.

    What are your opinions on this?

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Don't be banal.
    That's Verthaine for ya. He doesn't read books, he hates answering questions, and he has prerogative that only Bobby Brown can appreciate.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    As for my motivation I just want to understand the motivation and reasoning of the OP. I see these kind of threads/opinions about making the punishments of certain crimes enhanced compared to similar crimes with similar outcomes based only on the thought process of the perp.
    Then why didn't you ask the OP directly?
    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    A crime is a crime, who cares what FU thoughts were in the mind of the creepy perp. By establishing different punishments for similar crimes and similar outcomes you are setting up two classes of victims...the fortunate and the unfortunate.{/quote]
    That's your opinion.Terrorism bombings are terrorism bombings,regardless if they are perpetrated by Islamists,Anti-Abortionists,or the Russian mob.
    All should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
    That's my opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    All animal-victims are equal, but some are more equal then others. Is that really where you want to go?
    What are you saying?
    I want all terrorists either thrown in jail with the key melted and tossed into the Mariana's Trench,or executed.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Hopefully it'll give some of them second thoughts about bombing abortion clinics if it means they are going to end up at Gitmo with the other terrorists.
    Or the death penalty.
    Christians don't get a free pass on committing terrorist acts just because they worship Jesus.
    I'm going on record on saying that all terrorists should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
    In my opinion bombings are terrorist attacks.

    What are your opinions on this?
    Define terrorist act. Let's make sure we're comparing apples.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    That's Verthaine for ya. He doesn't read books, he hates answering questions, and he has prerogative that only Bobby Brown can appreciate.
    You know,this looks like a personal attack and an attempt at baiting.I suggest you pm me if you want to continue this in private.


    Are you still sore because I whooped your behind in our last debate?
    Cry me a river,will ya.
    Last edited by Verthaine; 11-13-12 at 03:08 PM.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Define terrorist act. Let's make sure we're comparing apples.
    Terrorism is the use of violence or credible threat of violence in order to achieve a political goal.

    Note: the U.S. legal definition includes a magical and completely unwarranted exemption for state actors (i.e. it exempts itself -- without basis or explanation -- from its definition of terrorism).

    Since I look to substantive definitions, not definitions which magically make exceptions for this or that group or organization, I don't include the exemption.

    This means, of course, that governments (and agents working on their behalf) constitute the world's most frequent and severe examples of terrorism and terrorists.
    I've moved on to a better forum (scienceforums.net). Facts matter, and I don't have the time or energy for putting up with the pretense that they don't. PM me if you'd like me to get in touch with you when I'm done developing my own forum system, likely towards the end of 2013.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Define terrorist act. Let's make sure we're comparing apples.
    According to my definition,terrorism is violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians).
    Now what's yours?

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