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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    So you advocate the Minority Report "Pre-Crime" notion of accusing, trying and convicting people before they have committed a crime?
    I don't see where you get that.

    What is under discussion here is the use of violence against those who are known to have already murdered many innocent children, and who it can safely be assumed will murder many, many more, unless something is done to stop them.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I don't see where you get that.

    What is under discussion here is the use of violence against those who are known to have already murdered many innocent children, and who it can safely be assumed will murder many, many more, unless something is done to stop them.
    Fact 1: normally there are no murders at an abortion clinic especially murders of innocent children
    Fact 2: many INNOCENT, adult, already born human beings will be be murdered possible including, doctors, patients, nurse, maintenance workers, IT workers, delivery people, passer-byers on the street and children

    this is again more proof that you have a bat**** insane, illogical, evil, deranged, inane, mentally void view of this issue

    woner how you'd feel if your brother, mother, father, sister, wife etc just happened to be near the facility and they were also murdered, in the terrorist attack? see why this is mentally deranged broken logic.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    Fact 1: normally there are no murders at an abortion clinic especially murders of innocent children
    Fact 2: many INNOCENT, adult, already born human beings will be be murdered possible including, doctors, patients, nurse, maintenance workers, IT workers, delivery people, passer-byers on the street and children

    this is again more proof that you have a bat**** insane, illogical, evil, deranged, inane, mentally void view of this issue

    woner how you'd feel if your brother, mother, father, sister, wife etc just happened to be near the facility and they were also murdered, in the terrorist attack? see why this is mentally deranged broken logic.
    To bring this back to our conversation a while back on this thread, Objective, this is the exact scenario I was describing as one of the many possible scenarios in which the bombing is not considered terrorism, by definition. A person who bombed, not with the intent to coerce or threaten others, but because they thought they were stopping evil from happening, is not a terrorist by definition. Obviously insane, but not a terrorist.

    I still do not understand what is confusing about this point and am interested to hear what you have to say that contradicts this - but so far all I've got from you is that you believe my argument is illogical - I'd love to hear your side - or more specifically, what's illogical about not considering an act of hate, without the intent to coerce or threaten, as an act of terrorism? Where is the contradiction in premises or the conclusion that follows with one of those premises?

    And to be clear, I'm not suggesting that it can't be terrorism - in fact, I'd think most of the time it IS terrorism by definition. Just that it doesn't always have to be terrorism.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I don't see where you get that.

    What is under discussion here is the use of violence against those who are known to have already murdered many innocent children, and who it can safely be assumed will murder many, many more, unless something is done to stop them.
    Collatoral Damage... that is how I get it. Associated with the clinic could get innocent people killed... even innocent by your standards of not "murdering" an abortion victim.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    To bring this back to our conversation a while back on this thread, Objective, this is the exact scenario I was describing as one of the many possible scenarios in which the bombing is not considered terrorism, by definition. A person who bombed, not with the intent to coerce or threaten others, but because they thought they were stopping evil from happening, is not a terrorist by definition. Obviously insane, but not a terrorist.

    I still do not understand what is confusing about this point and am interested to hear what you have to say that contradicts this - but so far all I've got from you is that you believe my argument is illogical - I'd love to hear your side - or more specifically, what's illogical about not considering an act of hate, without the intent to coerce or threaten, as an act of terrorism? Where is the contradiction in premises or the conclusion that follows with one of those premises?

    And to be clear, I'm not suggesting that it can't be terrorism - in fact, I'd think most of the time it IS terrorism by definition. Just that it doesn't always have to be terrorism.
    I think that any time you intentionally bomb something, in a non-military situation, it is terrorism. Suicide bombers at military checkpoints? Not terrorism. Suicide bombers of the same cause at a random cafe? Terrorism. Murder an abortion doctor outside his home. Not terrorism. Bomb a clinic? Terrorism.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I think that any time you intentionally bomb something, in a non-military situation, it is terrorism. Suicide bombers at military checkpoints? Not terrorism. Suicide bombers of the same cause at a random cafe? Terrorism. Murder an abortion doctor outside his home. Not terrorism. Bomb a clinic? Terrorism.
    If you wish to redefine terrorism to answer this question, go for it. I'll use the dictionary definition that requires the intent to coerce or threaten.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    To bring this back to our conversation a while back on this thread, Objective, this is the exact scenario I was describing as one of the many possible scenarios in which the bombing is not considered terrorism, by definition. A person who bombed, not with the intent to coerce or threaten others, but because they thought they were stopping evil from happening, is not a terrorist by definition. Obviously insane, but not a terrorist.

    I still do not understand what is confusing about this point and am interested to hear what you have to say that contradicts this - but so far all I've got from you is that you believe my argument is illogical - I'd love to hear your side - or more specifically, what's illogical about not considering an act of hate, without the intent to coerce or threaten, as an act of terrorism? Where is the contradiction in premises or the conclusion that follows with one of those premises?

    And to be clear, I'm not suggesting that it can't be terrorism - in fact, I'd think most of the time it IS terrorism by definition. Just that it doesn't always have to be terrorism.
    DOnt ever remember talking to you but thats fine

    by definition it is still terrorism, the persons opinion doesn't change anything, nothing as changed
    was 9/11 terrorism? yes, even if the people THOUGHT they were stopping evil LMAO

    you argument is 100% illogical because you cant prove that it wasnt to coercer, force, intimidate for a goal.
    the goal was to stop abortion, they tried to achieve that by violence and force and intimidation and coercion


    Terrorism: The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property in order to coerce or intimidate a government or the civilian population in furtherance of political or social objectives.

    if it was to stop abortion it was terrorism

    the only way it wouldnt be is this.

    If tommy bomb an office to kill doug because doug cut him off in traffic and doug just happened to work at an abortion clinic a i wouldnt call that terrorism.

    but anybody bombing an abortion clinic to stop the abortions that goes on there is in fact committing terrorism by definition the problem with your failed scenario is that that ARE using violence and force and intimidation and coercion .

    id love for you to show other wise, show me how "feelings" matter.

    LMAO the hell with it lets start with scratch.
    Forget everything i just said and ill show you the light.

    Give me your original example that you think isnt terrorism.

    Person bombs abortion clinic to stop abortions because that person thinks they are evil, is this right? is this your example?
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    If you wish to redefine terrorism to answer this question, go for it. I'll use the dictionary definition that requires the intent to coerce or threaten.
    seems you dont understand the dictionary definition and you also have to use LAW or you pick and choose what parts you want to observe and ignore.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    If you wish to redefine terrorism to answer this question, go for it. I'll use the dictionary definition that requires the intent to coerce or threaten.
    Redefine what? I have done no such thing...

    "There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).


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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    DOnt ever remember talking to you but thats fine

    by definition it is still terrorism, the persons opinion doesn't change anything, nothing as changed
    was 9/11 terrorism? yes, even if the people THOUGHT they were stopping evil LMAO

    you argument is 100% illogical because you cant prove that it wasnt to coercer, force, intimidate for a goal.
    the goal was to stop abortion, they tried to achieve that by violence and force and intimidation and coercion


    Terrorism: The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property in order to coerce or intimidate a government or the civilian population in furtherance of political or social objectives.

    if it was to stop abortion it was terrorism

    the only way it wouldnt be is this.

    If tommy bomb an office to kill doug because doug cut him off in traffic and doug just happened to work at an abortion clinic a i wouldnt call that terrorism.

    but anybody bombing an abortion clinic to stop the abortions that goes on there is in fact committing terrorism by definition the problem with your failed scenario is that that ARE using violence and force and intimidation and coercion .

    id love for you to show other wise, show me how "feelings" matter.

    LMAO the hell with it lets start with scratch.
    Forget everything i just said and ill show you the light.

    Give me your original example that you think isnt terrorism.

    Person bombs abortion clinic to stop abortions because that person thinks they are evil, is this right? is this your example?
    You've just contradicted yourself... again:

    The act of bombing with the intent to stop an action occuring at that place (which is exactly what you wrote: "if it was to stop abortion it was terrorism") is not the same as the act of bombing with the intent to intimidate or coerce other people. The intent to intimidate or coerce is a necessary part of the definition of terrorism. If the act was simply 'to stop abortion', it's not terrorism as it does not include any intent of coercion or intimidation.

    Like I said, this likely is not the case. it's likely that coercion and intimidation are part of the intent of the bomb. But if it's not necessarily the case, if the case is strictly "if it was to stop abortion", then it is not terrorism. Which means the absolute statement: "Bombing an abortion clinic is an act of terrorism." is false as an absolute statement.

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