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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    No, it's the use of violence against murderers of innocent children, to stop them from murdering.
    and this is way you have a bat**** insane, illogical, evil, deranged, inane view of this issue.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

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    It's good to know that you support terrorism.
    support it, hell he is celebrating it
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    One of the few situations in which homicide is clearly justifiable is to save an innocent human being from someone who would seek to unjustly kill that innocent. Certainly, that is the case here.
    What is an innocent and what is the basis for your position?










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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Abortion itself is certainly an “act of wanton violence that also kills innocents”. Would you include it, then, in your definition of “terrorism”?
    No because it is not either. You leave out "intent." Without the intent to do such it is not in anyway terrorism. The intent or idea to create "terror" is not present with an abortion. Your comment is silly and intellectually dishonest at best.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Abortion itself is certainly an “act of wanton violence that also kills innocents”. Would you include it, then, in your definition of “terrorism”?
    No because it is not either. You leave out "intent." Without the intent to do such it is not in anyway terrorism. The intent or idea to create "terror" is not present with an abortion. Your comment is silly and intellectually dishonest at best.
    What you said before was…

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Any act of wanton violence that also kills innocents can be considered terrorism be it domestic or foreign.

    You did not there say anything about intent, and it's not apparent to me that there's a distinction anyway. Clearly, the intent behind abortion is to kill an innocent person. That's the effect and purpose of the act.

    If, as you said, “Any act of wanton violence that also kills innocents can be considered terrorism…”, then abortion certainly fits that criterion. It is indisputably a wanton act of violence, and it kills innocents.

    I don't think I entirely agree with your definition of “terrorism”, but if you're going to be consistent, then you have to agree that abortion fits your definition as you stated it.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1995: Cincinnati. The planned parenthood clinic had previously been bombed by a guy who claimed to be a member of "the army of god". he was convicted of plotting to ban a clinic in florida as well. On the "Mike McConnell Show" was one James Condit Jr-a perpetual candidate for congress who is an anti abortion fanatic, and recently has become a militant anti semitic. He was consigliere of the bomber.

    His argument-bombing a clinic is justified because the intent is to save innocent life I would note Condit knew who I was and I identified myself to him and Mike before I went on the air.

    SO the discussion went like this

    Condit-even if innocent blood is shed in the bombing of a clinic-it is justified because the intent and goal is to save the innocent lives of the unborn

    Turtle: Many women go to PP for things other than abortions. STD screenings, treatment, pregnancy tests, counseling etc. Many of those women are innocent yet could be harmed by a bomber

    Condit: the overriding goal is to save the lives of the innocent.

    Turtle: My wife goes to PP for contraception. Since you have advocated bombing the clinic and My wife is an innocent person, I therefore must protect her innocent life. Therefore if I see you anywhere near the clinic when she is there, I am therefore justified in killing you as quickly as possible because you MIGHT throw a bomb into the clinic while my wife or other innocent people are there

    Condit; Dead silence

    Mike McConnell-seems reasonable to me.

    condit-More silence.

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    Condit: You'd never do that

    Turtle: bring a bomb when I am there and see what happens

    McConnell (who is a conservative)-well Jim (Condit) that shows how moronic your position is.
    Props for a great post! The term "abortion clinic" is biased in favor of the anti-abortion crowd. These places are "family planning clinics." There are far more services available there besides abortion. In fact, the contraception that is available prevents unwanted pregnancies and therefore prevents abortion. If I wanted to give the clinic a biased pro-life, I would call them "abortion prevention clinics." It's ironic that an anti abortion terrorist murders people and in doing so increases the likelihood of abortion.

    I wish the media would start calling these bombers what they are: terrorists. I'd like to make another point. Most of these murderers have some form of Christian belief. However, it would be unfair to brand them "Christian terrorists" since the vast majority of Christians don't support their actions. Well, guess how most Muslims feel about so-called "Islamic terrorism". The vast majority of them don't support the despicable actions of groups like al Quaida.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    What you said before was…

    You did not there say anything about intent, and it's not apparent to me that there's a distinction anyway. Clearly, the intent behind abortion is to kill an innocent person. That's the effect and purpose of the act.
    Because intent in law and law enforcement is common sense. It is the difference between criminal trespass and burglary for instance, or manslaughter and murder. With terrorism, the subject of the OP, terror is clearly the intent. Not with abortion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    If, as you said, “Any act of wanton violence that also kills innocents can be considered terrorism…”, then abortion certainly fits that criterion. It is indisputably a wanton act of violence, and it kills innocents.
    My reply was to the original question on terrorism. Obviously you were the only one that did not understand it was in reference to nothing but terrorism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I don't think I entirely agree with your definition of “terrorism”, but if you're going to be consistent, then you have to agree that abortion fits your definition as you stated it.
    No it does not in my reply to terrorism. It is silly to even imply such nonsense.

    As I said (and this is not meant as an insult) everyone else seemed to understand it was in reference to terrorism. How you can pull abortion out of that makes no sense to me. I mean lets go even just a little deeper...

    #1 Abortion is not a wanton act of violence on anyone's part like terrorism. The whole purpose of terrorism is to cause terror to a specific civilian population.
    #2 Abortion is not related to terrorism in any way shape or form. The objective of abortion is to remove an unwanted pregnancy, not cause "terror." I was clearly responding to the OP, not just random violence or anything outside of terrorism.
    #3 I can only think you came to that conclusion because of your anti-abortion agenda. No other reason to make such an illogical leap.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    No, it's the use of violence against murderers of innocent children, to stop them from murdering.
    So you advocate the Minority Report "Pre-Crime" notion of accusing, trying and convicting people before they have committed a crime?
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act? I say that it is. It's the use of violence to try to get your way politically.
    It's domestic terrorism.

    (5) the term ‘‘domestic terrorism’’ means activities that—
    (A) involve acts dangerous to human life
    that are a violation of the criminal laws of
    the United States or of any State;
    (B) appear to be intended—
    (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
    (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
    (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination,
    or kidnapping; and
    (C) occur primarily within the territorial
    jurisdiction of the United States.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    So you advocate the Minority Report "Pre-Crime" notion of accusing, trying and convicting people before they have committed a crime?
    More than that, because it's vigilante.

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