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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I say no.

    I would think the objection of someone bombing an abortion clinic is to destroy the abortion clinic itself and stop what happens there.

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
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    That's clearly a political goal.
    Violence, or credible threat of violence: check
    in order to achieve a political goal: check

    Terrorism.
    Trying to prevent the murders of large numbers of innocent children is a “political goal”?

    I guess this attitude is a symptom of a sick society, where empty politics is too often treated as more meaningful than actual human lives.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    No, it's the use of violence against murderers of innocent children, to stop them from murdering.
    It's good to know that you support terrorism.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    1995: Cincinnati. The planned parenthood clinic had previously been bombed by a guy who claimed to be a member of "the army of god". he was convicted of plotting to ban a clinic in florida as well. On the "Mike McConnell Show" was one James Condit Jr-a perpetual candidate for congress who is an anti abortion fanatic, and recently has become a militant anti semitic. He was consigliere of the bomber.

    His argument-bombing a clinic is justified because the intent is to save innocent life I would note Condit knew who I was and I identified myself to him and Mike before I went on the air.

    SO the discussion went like this

    Condit-even if innocent blood is shed in the bombing of a clinic-it is justified because the intent and goal is to save the innocent lives of the unborn

    Turtle: Many women go to PP for things other than abortions. STD screenings, treatment, pregnancy tests, counseling etc. Many of those women are innocent yet could be harmed by a bomber

    Condit: the overriding goal is to save the lives of the innocent.

    Turtle: My wife goes to PP for contraception. Since you have advocated bombing the clinic and My wife is an innocent person, I therefore must protect her innocent life. Therefore if I see you anywhere near the clinic when she is there, I am therefore justified in killing you as quickly as possible because you MIGHT throw a bomb into the clinic while my wife or other innocent people are there

    Condit; Dead silence

    Mike McConnell-seems reasonable to me.

    condit-More silence.

    cut to a commercial

    Condit: You'd never do that

    Turtle: bring a bomb when I am there and see what happens

    McConnell (who is a conservative)-well Jim (Condit) that shows how moronic your position is.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Any act of wanton violence that also kills innocents can be considered terrorism be it domestic or foreign.
    Abortion itself is certainly an “act of wanton violence that also kills innocents”. Would you include it, then, in your definition of “terrorism”?
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Abortion itself is certainly an “act of wanton violence that also kills innocents”. Would you include it, then, in your definition of “terrorism”?
    No matter how you define things, killing citizens to save a fetus is not justified

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    No matter how you define things, killing citizens to save a fetus is not justified
    One of the few situations in which homicide is clearly justifiable is to save an innocent human being from someone who would seek to unjustly kill that innocent. Certainly, that is the case here.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    One of the few situations in which homicide is clearly justifiable is to save an innocent human being from someone who would seek to unjustly kill that innocent. Certainly, that is the case here.
    wrong-bombing a clinic is indiscriminate and even if you believe an abortion doctor deserves death, it is as stupid as bombing a factory building because a murderer might have taken refuste there

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    One of the few situations in which homicide is clearly justifiable is to save an innocent human being from someone who would seek to unjustly kill that innocent. Certainly, that is the case here.
    wrong-bombing a clinic is indiscriminate and even if you believe an abortion doctor deserves death, it is as stupid as bombing a factory building because a murderer might have taken refuste [sic] there
    I don't disagree.

    But what you said, and to which I was responding, was:

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    No matter how you define things, killing citizens to save a fetus is not justified

    Do you disagree that defense of an innocent victim is a justifiable cause to kill someone who intends to murder that intended victim?

    I'll agree that the indiscriminate use of explosives is a very sloppy way to carry out such a defense, and very likely unjustifiable, especially if there's a high chance of killing more innocent victims than you thus save, or of otherwise needlessly causing excess collateral damage when the intended victim could have been saved by less destructive means.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    1) I don't consider a fetus to be the same as a human (ie someone born)

    2) I don't consider it a beneficial goal to punish women for seeking abortions


    3) I don't consider it a benefit to society to punish those who provide abortions to women willingly seeking them

    4) I don't consider it a benefit to society for unwanted children to be brought into this world against the wishes of their mothers

    5) I do not consider it murder

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Of course. It's violent and intended to invoke fear in order to coerce their intended results. That's pretty much the definition of terrorism.

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