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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act? I say that it is. It's the use of violence to try to get your way politically.
    Certainly it can be. The only possible exception I can think of is if someone were targeting the facility as a function rather than abortion as a political issue, and so directed their attack so as to occur when no one was in the building, and sought no political goal from the act.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Certainly it can be. The only possible exception I can think of is if someone were targeting the facility as a function rather than abortion as a political issue, and so directed their attack so as to occur when no one was in the building, and sought no political goal from the act.
    In such a case, if someone had no political goal, why would they bother blowing up a clinic at all? What would be the reasoning behind that?
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    In such a case, if someone had no political goal, why would they bother blowing up a clinic at all? What would be the reasoning behind that?
    To reduce the ability of the abortion industry to function.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    To reduce the ability of the abortion industry to function.
    That would suggest opposition to abortion activities. Thus bombing the clinic would still be a political goal, wouldn't it?
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Certainly it can be. The only possible exception I can think of is if someone were targeting the facility as a function rather than abortion as a political issue, and so directed their attack so as to occur when no one was in the building, and sought no political goal from the act.
    i dont see any possible way to separate those, seems dishonest to me. If its about the function by default its political/religious/ or moral and used for intimidation and coercion.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    That would suggest opposition to abortion activities. Thus bombing the clinic would still be a political goal, wouldn't it?
    No, because the intent is not to intimidate the populace into any particular political policy.

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    i dont see any possible way to separate those, seems dishonest to me. If its about the function by default its political/religious/ or moral and used for intimidation and coercion.
    That is not correct - targeting a system for a function-degradation has no inherent element of non-combatant intimidation/coercion.

    For example, if we wished to (say) degrade Iran's ability to support Hezbollah, and so we launched a virus that played merry hell with their logistics system, that would be different in nature than if we were to instead launch a virus that destroyed Iran's cellular networks with the intent that the enraged populace would put pressure on their government.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1.)No, because the intent is not to intimidate the populace into any particular political policy.



    That is not correct - targeting a system for a function-degradation has no inherent element of non-combatant intimidation/coercion.

    For example, if we wished to (say) degrade Iran's ability to support Hezbollah, and so we launched a virus that played merry hell with their logistics system, that would be different in nature than if we were to instead launch a virus that destroyed Iran's cellular networks with the intent that the enraged populace would put pressure on their government.
    1.) says who? what logic would there be to support that.
    2.) again say who and what, what logic is there to support that?

    you haven't given any logic that separates the two.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) says who? what logic would there be to support that.
    That was the exception described. The example presumed "If it was X, then it wasn't Y."

    2.) again say who and what, what logic is there to support that?
    the Laws of Armed Conflict as they are applied to Target System Analysis, Target Selection, and Collateral Damage Estimation?

    you haven't given any logic that separates the two.
    if you believe this, it is because you haven't been paying attention - the intent is what separates the two. The targeted system is different, and so therefore so is the nature of the strike.

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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That was the exception described. The example presumed "If it was X, then it wasn't Y."



    the Laws of Armed Conflict as they are applied to Target System Analysis, Target Selection, and Collateral Damage Estimation?



    if you believe this, it is because you haven't been paying attention - the intent is what separates the two. The targeted system is different, and so therefore so is the nature of the strike.
    the point is you are guessing and just making stuff up, im asking you to support what you actually said not give me an equation where Y cant be explained lol

    sorry you havent given anything logical or factual to separate the two if it deals with abortion and the example you gave.

    If some guy jimmy bombed a a place to kill Greg the maintenance worker and that just happened to be an abortion clinic then ok but in your example you havent showed any separation between whats needed for an act of violence and terrorism. I payed attention well and you have proved nothing.

    Terrorism: The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property in order to coerce or intimidate a government or the civilian population in furtherance of political or social objectives.

    attacking this place because of its function and that function being what it is, makes it terrorism.
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    Re: Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Is bombing a family planning clinic in opposition to abortion a terrorist act? I say that it is. It's the use of violence to try to get your way politically.
    No, it's the use of violence against murderers of innocent children, to stop them from murdering.
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