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Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever justifie

Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever justifie

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 92.3%

  • No

    Votes: 2 7.7%
  • Total voters
    26
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

ProudAmerican said:
compared to



Id say my post was very tame.

if you dont like my comments, feel free to leave anytime. dont let the door hit ya on the way out.
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LOL... This is hilarious....

Although I do not support or agree with the statements Sabatour made (In fact I was the one to report them to the moderators).....

Its sad that you can't see that his outlandish comment was IN RESPONSE to your rabid partisanship. He was trying to play a parody, and your acting as if he posted it because you started foaming at the mouth attacking "the left". :roll::roll:
 
We invaded North Korea and installed a democratic government and trained thier military? Since when???
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why would you make these claims? I certainly didnt.
I simply made the claim that American helped them aquire their nuclear technology.


And you see why I call you out on your rabid partisanship?
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you hardly qualify as a centrist that has the right to call anyone else a partisan.

Oh yeah, and if we are so worried that Iraq is going to get a nuclear bomb and use it on our allies while we are trying to support them by building thier military and helping set up our government, What is the point of being there?
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again I point out that we (clinton) helped NK get their technology. so using your logic, why in the world should we even think about stopping them now?
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

Caine said:
LOL... This is hilarious....

Although I do not support or agree with the statements Sabatour made (In fact I was the one to report them to the moderators).....

Its sad that you can't see that his outlandish comment was IN RESPONSE to your rabid partisanship. He was trying to play a parody, and your acting as if he posted it because you started foaming at the mouth attacking "the left". :roll::roll:
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so my attacking "the left" in your mind is equal to his comments?

:roll:

sureeeeeee

your defending him speaks VOLUMES.....mr. CENTRIST.

LMAO.

i think its hillarious when someone says "although I dont support or agree with" and then proceed to defend that person.

absolutely commical.
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

ProudAmerican said:
so my attacking "the left" in your mind is equal to his comments?

:roll:

sureeeeeee

your defending him speaks VOLUMES.....mr. CENTRIST.
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Again, quite another good display of your ignorant "put words in other's mouth" attitude.
STFU with that bullshit already. Your only showing how you can't debate someone unless you try to create thier position on the debate for them.

LMAO.

i think its hillarious when someone says "although I dont support or agree with" and then proceed to defend that person.

absolutely commical.
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No. Im trying to show you a different way of thinking about it because you obviously cannot look at things in a cronological order.
You started foaming at the mouth by spewing attacks before the damned debate even started.
He, being sarcastic and very DUMB, decided to fight back with the same retarded rhetoric.
Although I do not support what he said, I am trying to show to you that you can't act as if he displayed ignorant partisanship before you if you were the one that broke the "rabid idiot" ice so to speak.
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

ProudAmerican said:
why would you make these claims? I certainly didnt.
I simply made the claim that American helped them aquire their nuclear technology.
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You are comparing a total remake of a nation's identity (the U.S. in Iraq) to an agreement (even if it failed) between the U.S. and North Korea to stop pursuing missile technology in exchange for technology to build nuclear power plants.

This does not compute, and its just retarded to try to compare the two.
Game over, please try again.




you hardly qualify as a centrist that has the right to call anyone else a partisan.
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Really? Well, I know this thread, despite your efforts, is rather bi-partisan except for your rabid attack starting with the first response to the thread. All I'm saying is tone it down a bit. If the thread is obviously partisan in nature (there are plenty of Polls out there like this, check out PTSDkid on the right, and Hipsterdufus on the left) then by all means bicker away. But don't start out what could have and should have been a bi-partisan intelligent debate with this partisan blame someone and put words in thier mouths attitude. It makes you look like a damned fool.



again I point out that we (clinton) helped NK get their technology. so using your logic, why in the world should we even think about stopping them now?
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No, we had a deal that failed. They already had enough nuclear material to make a bomb prior to the agreement. A nuclear reactor doesn't create a missile, you still have to have missile technology.
 
Yo yo Brother Caine.

Relax mon.

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Breathe in.

Breath out.

Ahhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............

Ahhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

Personally...I think its time for the U.S. to be extremely clear with North Korea.

Bush: I understand you will soon have the abitlity to use Nukes on your neighbors.

Kim: Yes, thats correct,we will be one of the Big Boys on the Block.

Bush: Please understand something ....this is important so put the Chuck Norris Doll down...This is a draft of my plan should you decide to be an a$$hole.

1) evacuate the demilitarized zone between N. and S. Korea.
2) use the 42 tactical nuclear warheads already in poisition to remove the place once known as North Korea from existance.
3) Give the Deed (which is all that will be left of you and yours)....to South Korea after100 yrs, when the fallout has mostly dissipated.

Bush: Here ya' Go.....I printed a copy of my plan for you to keep, I even framed it so you can hang it above your bed.

Have a nice day....Pray it is not your last.
 
Quake tremors put Japan on edge



Given the right circumstances something silly like this will set the world on fire.

I saw some wargames recently. It is going to cost the US 20k people or so to get rid of NK government. Hundreds of thousands of NK people would die.
Someday we will learn that appeasment never works.
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

gain, quite another good display of your ignorant "put words in other's mouth" attitude.
STFU with that bullshit already. Your only showing how you can't debate someone unless you try to create thier position on the debate for them.
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its like im in a debate with billo.

your position is pretty clear. lets just let those that read it decide for themselves.

No. Im trying to show you a different way of thinking about it because you obviously cannot look at things in a cronological order.
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I read what he said in black and white. you dont like me, so you try to justify his ridiculous comments. no problem.

You started foaming at the mouth by spewing attacks before the damned debate even started.
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whom exactly did I attack?

He, being sarcastic and very DUMB, decided to fight back with the same retarded rhetoric.
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he attacked me personally. again I ask you, whom exactly did I attack?

Although I do not support what he said, I am trying to show to you that you can't act as if he displayed ignorant partisanship before you if you were the one that broke the "rabid idiot" ice so to speak.
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I dont recall saying he displayed partisanship before I did. I simply recall pointing out that he singled out an INDIVIDUAL for his attack.
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

You are comparing a total remake of a nation's identity (the U.S. in Iraq) to an agreement (even if it failed) between the U.S. and North Korea to stop pursuing missile technology in exchange for technology to build nuclear power plants.
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im simply stating that NK wouldnt have the technology it has now if not for the U.S.

This does not compute, and its just retarded to try to compare the two.
Game over, please try again.
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look everyone.....my ideas are retarded "because caine said so" LMAO

Really? Well, I know this thread, despite your efforts, is rather bi-partisan except for your rabid attack starting with the first response to the thread. All I'm saying is tone it down a bit.
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forgive me if I dont "tone it down" because "caine said so"

If the thread is obviously partisan in nature (there are plenty of Polls out there like this, check out PTSDkid on the right, and Hipsterdufus on the left) then by all means bicker away. But don't start out what could have and should have been a bi-partisan intelligent debate with this partisan blame someone and put words in thier mouths attitude. It makes you look like a damned fool.
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my original point was perfectly logical in this thread. many on the left will not allow a pre emptive strike. they think we must first be attacked before we can act. if you dont like what i have to say.....put me on ignore.

and dont look now, but you are doing almost as good a job with personal attacks as saboteur.

BRAVO!!!!!

No, we had a deal that failed. They already had enough nuclear material to make a bomb prior to the agreement. A nuclear reactor doesn't create a missile, you still have to have missile technology.
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brilliant. so once they get a missile how will you feel? will it still be ok that we helped them with their nuclear reactors?

your excuse making is pathetic.
 
DeeJayH said:
WOW :shock:
I am shocked that so far not one person has voted no on this poll
it seemed like a no brainer to me
but somedody usually goes against common sense, if only for arguments sake

DP unites :2party:

even if it is only 15 so far :mrgreen:
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Contrary to ProudAmerican's partisan blindness, it's clear that even the left (probably the biggest advocate of 'no nukes') is willing to strike at yet another nation with WMD's. We're talking about trying to keep the whole world going and what happens?

The rightwingers come right out with their mantra 'everything is the liberal's fault'.:roll:

I'm sick of it and you boys, you know who you are, are going top be sick of me very soon.
 
ProudAmerican said:
compared to



Id say my post was very tame.

if you dont like my comments, feel free to leave anytime. dont let the door hit ya on the way out.

;)
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Yeah but I don't say things like that in EVERY SINGLE ONE of my posts. Whereas you seem to have some kind of obssesion with the left.

You hang out here and everything you say is geared to incite argumentative posts from folks like me. I don't go around starting arguments here most of the time. But I've seen to much, you're campaign to smear the left for anything and everything you see fit is soon to be answered.
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

Caine said:
LOL... This is hilarious....

Although I do not support or agree with the statements Sabatour made (In fact I was the one to report them to the moderators).....

Its sad that you can't see that his outlandish comment was IN RESPONSE to your rabid partisanship. He was trying to play a parody, and your acting as if he posted it because you started foaming at the mouth attacking "the left". :roll::roll:
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Hey Caine, thank you. I was out of line with that last doozy I admit. I'm glad you were the one to report my post. Sorry I offended you, but that doesn't go for Navy. I hope it hit him hard.
 
This is strange, but after I went and laid down for a while and the hallucinations went away.:lol: :3oops: :doh I came to my senses and am now prepared to say what I would have if this thread didn't get sent down partisan highway 101 from the very first post.

Yes, a preemtive strike to stop a nation from developing nuclear weapons is justifiable since we're talking about the survival of the planet and everything on it.

My question is with what army?

We're bogged down in Iraq for at least 10 years IMO.
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

Navy Pride said:
He is not worth the effort my friend........He makes outrageous comments sitting safely behind his computer.................You can bet he would never make the same comments to a members face.......
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While anonymity is virtue in this day and age... I'll give you a hint as to who you are talking to.

My full German name has been in my family liniage for over 500 years and you can be sure it was earned.

My first name means 'Famous Spearman' (this one's easy) my middle name means 'Champion Warrior' and my last name means 'Dweller of the Battlefield'.

If you can figure out my name from that you've got a bigger brain than I'll ever give you credit for.

My father and his brothers all served in WWII and Korea minus one who was KIA while manning the nose gun of his bomber.

One of my Uncles flew Hell Cats with over 20 confirmed kills in the pacific and another was Infantry in North Africa fighting Rommel.

My father was an Army Ranger Master SGT. and he taught me many things of which I am proud but he never really spoke of the action he saw. Needless to say thanks to my namesake recruiters started calling me when I was 12. I regret not joining up, with what my father taught me I would have excelled. If he hadn't passed away when I was 13 I would have probably gone to West Point.

But this is just recent history....

What I'm trying to tell you and Vader is; I can take care of myself pretty well and you better believe I'd say all this to your face.
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

Caine said:
LOL... This is hilarious....

Although I do not support or agree with the statements Sabatour made (In fact I was the one to report them to the moderators).....

Its sad that you can't see that his outlandish comment was IN RESPONSE to your rabid partisanship. He was trying to play a parody, and your acting as if he posted it because you started foaming at the mouth attacking "the left".
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oh my god :shock:
the cops an F'n Rat :lol:
better not let the boys at the precinct know, Cops hate Rats, Blue wall and all:doh
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

Saboteur said:
The thing is I want to be here. But when the first post I see on a new thread is this;



I'm gonna go off the deep end. How long is debate politics going to put up with this?
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You need to remain calm sir. Not all of us have chosen to hug trees. While we agree that terrorists are bad; some of us prefer to kill them BEFORE they can kill us.

Have a nice day.
 
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Vader said:
You need to remain calm sir. Not all of us have chosen to hug trees. While we agree that terrorists are bad; some of us prefer to kill them BEFORE they can kill us.

Have a nice day.
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Show me one place on this thread anywhere where someone stated that they do NOT support a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapon's capability.

Put up or stop your senseless generalization of the point.

Honestly there is no debate to be had here, everyone is in agreement, except a select few of the rabid conservatives are trying to create debate by telling other people where they stand on the issue because they have donkey images under thier avatar.
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

Saboteur said:
While anonymity is virtue in this day and age... I'll give you a hint as to who you are talking to.

My full German name has been in my family liniage for over 500 years and you can be sure it was earned.

My first name means 'Famous Spearman' (this one's easy) my middle name means 'Champion Warrior' and my last name means 'Dweller of the Battlefield'.

If you can figure out my name from that you've got a bigger brain than I'll ever give you credit for.

My father and his brothers all served in WWII and Korea minus one who was KIA while manning the nose gun of his bomber.

One of my Uncles flew Hell Cats with over 20 confirmed kills in the pacific and another was Infantry in North Africa fighting Rommel.

My father was an Army Ranger Master SGT. and he taught me many things of which I am proud but he never really spoke of the action he saw. Needless to say thanks to my namesake recruiters started calling me when I was 12. I regret not joining up, with what my father taught me I would have excelled. If he hadn't passed away when I was 13 I would have probably gone to West Point.

But this is just recent history....

What I'm trying to tell you and Vader is; I can take care of myself pretty well and you better believe I'd say all this to your face.
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Yeah, right, whatever.......:rofl
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

Vader said:
You need to remain calm sir. Not all of us have chosen to hug trees. While we agree that terrorists are bad; some of us prefer to kill them BEFORE they can kill us.

Have a nice day.
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Exactly, appeasement does not work with nutcases.......
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

Caine said:
Show me one place on this thread anywhere where someone stated that they do NOT support a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapon's capability.

Put up or stop your senseless generalization of the point.

Honestly there is no debate to be had here, everyone is in agreement, except a select few of the rabid conservatives are trying to create debate by telling other people where they stand on the issue because they have donkey images under thier avatar.
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I don't know how you get away with the personal attacks as shown in your signature....Oh wait, your wife is a moderator.......My Bad........:roll:

I could come back with some great responses but I won't stoop to your level.........
 
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Navy Pride said:
I don't know how you get away with the personal attacks as shown in your signature....Oh wait, your wife is a moderator.......My Bad........:roll:

I could come back with some great responses but I won't stoop to your level.........
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Personal attacks??????

You call people liberals all the time.
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

Caine said:
Personal attacks??????

You call people liberals all the time.
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you think calling someone a "liberal" is an attack?

okiee, if you say so.
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

ProudAmerican said:
you think calling someone a "liberal" is an attack?

okiee, if you say so.
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Everybody knows that when Navy calls someone a liberal he means to insult. It's like when I call someone a Catholic...;)
 
Re: Is a preemptive strike to destroy a nation's nuclear weapons capability ever just

Navy Pride said:
I don't know how you get away with the personal attacks as shown in your signature....Oh wait, your wife is a moderator.......My Bad........:roll:

I could come back with some great responses but I won't stoop to your level.........
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Awwwww c'mon Navy.... BTW, nutcase? I'll remember that.
 
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