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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    I'm honestly not sure how to answer the poll question but I will say this: Murder, horrific violent crimes and forcible rape are not justifiable crimes to commit in first world countries.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Gotta love all the bleeding hearts here. SOME times bad people deserve everything possible. Is it civilized? Course not. But then if we as a species were truely civilized we wouldn't need prisons now would we? We also wouldn't be killing each other over materialistic junk.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Gotta love all the bleeding hearts here. SOME times bad people deserve everything possible. Is it civilized? Course not. But then if we as a species were truely civilized we wouldn't need prisons now would we? We also wouldn't be killing each other over materialistic junk.
    You misread the arguments. Let me help. We don't always have the bad guy and occasionally torture an innocent person. It also damages he person who does he torturing (talked to one who can't sleep at night now), you can't care much about your own people if your support torture. And lastly, torture is largely ineffective. The odds that you have the right person with the right information is rare in and of itself. Then as you sift through the lies, we'll, you've asked too mu h time. We also know there are more effective methods. So again, support for torture is just wrong before you even get to the moral argument, and it is immoral.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You misread the arguments. Let me help. We don't always have the bad guy and occasionally torture an innocent person. It also damages he person who does he torturing (talked to one who can't sleep at night now), you can't care much about your own people if your support torture. And lastly, torture is largely ineffective. The odds that you have the right person with the right information is rare in and of itself. Then as you sift through the lies, we'll, you've asked too mu h time. We also know there are more effective methods. So again, support for torture is just wrong before you even get to the moral argument, and it is immoral.
    Actually I think you misread my arguement. If you look back in the thread a bit I'm talking about child rapists, not terrorists.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually I think you misread my arguement. If you look back in the thread a bit I'm talking about child rapists, not terrorists.
    Ok. However:

    Even that is immoral. Becoming evil doesn't combat evil.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Ok. However:

    Even that is immoral. Becoming evil doesn't combat evil.
    Oh I don't know. When pedophiles and the like see what we're willing to do to them I'm quite sure that they wouldn't want the same thing done to them. So yes, in a way it does combat evil. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. And yes, I believe it should be made public.

    And frankly I don't care what is immoral and what isn't when it comes to child rapists. They are the worst of the worst and deserve no compassion what so ever. Does that make me evil? oh well.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Oh I don't know. When pedophiles and the like see what we're willing to do to them I'm quite sure that they wouldn't want the same thing done to them. So yes, in a way it does combat evil. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. And yes, I believe it should be made public.

    And frankly I don't care what is immoral and what isn't when it comes to child rapists. They are the worst of the worst and deserve no compassion what so ever. Does that make me evil? oh well.
    I would count on that. Punishment only has so much power. People do bad things everywhere.

    But being immoral as a people has consequences.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I would count on that. Punishment only has so much power. People do bad things everywhere.

    But being immoral as a people has consequences.
    And being too soft has consequences also. And frankly I don't think that getting a roof over your head, 3 square meals a day, a bed, cable tv, library, and a gym all for free is that much of a consequence.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And being too soft has consequences also. And frankly I don't think that getting a roof over your head, 3 square meals a day, a bed, cable tv, library, and a gym all for free is that much of a consequence.
    Frankly there is something between immoral and being too soft. And prison life has things like you list not for prisoners but for the safety of guards. The state has manage justice and not revenge.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Frankly there is something between immoral and being too soft. And prison life has things like you list not for prisoners but for the safety of guards. The state has manage justice and not revenge.
    "Safety of the Guards" is just a talking point. How hard do guards have to work if prisoners are all kept in thier cells 24/7/365? And i'm sure that I could think of a few other things that would insure obediance. And if I can you can be sure that others can also.
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