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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    AN eye for an eye is not a justice system it is barbaric, and actually what America stands against.
    A punishment softer than the criminal act is illogical and a lack of justice, whether it's a $300 fine for stealing $500 or 20 years in jail for murder.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    NEVER, of course, IF we are indeed a "first world civilized nation".
    We seem to be the ones who assign us this status.
    We should know the opinion of those in Iran, or France, or China...and work from there.
    Last edited by earthworm; 11-12-12 at 10:12 AM.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Let me ask you all a question...If your Mother, Father, Sister, Brother, Wife, Daughter, Son....was kidnapped and you believed their death was eminent and your options to find them have run out.....would you torture one of their kidnappers to find out where they were...or to try and find out where they were....

    I WOULD...IN A FLASH....so my answer is YES under certain circumstances torture is justifiable
    I depends if your decision to torture was legally backed or not? How much do you love the person that is kidnapped, are you willing to do the time for the crime of torture to save them? But if you are asserting that we should torture people in desperate situations as a legal recourse, then in that case I will be your enemy on the battlefield.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    A punishment softer than the criminal act is illogical and a lack of justice, whether it's a $300 fine for stealing $500 or 20 years in jail for murder.
    When will we ever learn that the old tried and true punishments accomplish little of a positive nature and far too much of a negative nature..
    A real "first world nation" would employ better tactics.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    A punishment softer than the criminal act is illogical and a lack of justice, whether it's a $300 fine for stealing $500 or 20 years in jail for murder.
    You are over simplifying the justice system. We do not fine people for theft. And the sentence for the guilty has to meet well set standards of the justice system. But my point is that eye for an eye is barbaric and the policy of tyrants not a society with liberty and freedom. ANd dont assume that I am advocating soft punishment for crimes. But some circumstances do not dictate severe punishment for a severe crime. For example if someone kills my kids and I kill them two days later after finding them, should I be put to death? I argue that zero tolerance sentencing is barbaric and will exact punishment much more extreme than what some people may deserve.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I depends if your decision to torture was legally backed or not? How much do you love the person that is kidnapped, are you willing to do the time for the crime of torture to save them? But if you are asserting that we should torture people in desperate situations as a legal recourse, then in that case I will be your enemy on the battlefield.
    To save one of my loved ones...of course its worth the time...

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You are over simplifying the justice system. We do not fine people for theft. And the sentence for the guilty has to meet well set standards of the justice system. But my point is that eye for an eye is barbaric and the policy of tyrants not a society with liberty and freedom. ANd dont assume that I am advocating soft punishment for crimes. But some circumstances do not dictate severe punishment for a severe crime. For example if someone kills my kids and I kill them two days later after finding them, should I be put to death? I argue that zero tolerance sentencing is barbaric and will exact punishment much more extreme than what some people may deserve.
    If someone kills your kids then you let the justice system kill the person who did so. You see eye for an eye as barbaric. I see the punishments of our current system as a BS slap on the wrist.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    As punishment? No. Maybe for other things. Depends on the situation. All generalizations are wrong at some point. Including this one.
    Thank you

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yup. How many nations have we fought recently who were signatories, or demonstrated themselves otherwise obligated to follow it?
    It doesn't matter. If we forfeit our standards and stoop to the level of terrorists, we also forfeit our integrity.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    It may seem ridiculous and a totally disgusting breach of human rights, but in some cases, do some people deserve just as much pain as they inflicted onto their victims?
    Hell, no!

    And I don't want to have anything to do with anybody who does not say "hell, no!". I think such people are anti-social threats for civilization, not less than that.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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