View Poll Results: torture a justifiable punishment in first world countires?

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I truly believe that if torture will save American lives or prevent a terrorist attack the likes of 9/11 or worse I say go for it!!!!!!!!!!!

    That is the type of mentality that subjects our brave men and women of the military to torture. Ever hear of the Geneva convention navy?
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That is the type of mentality that subjects our brave men and women of the military to torture. Ever hear of the Geneva convention navy?

    Yup. How many nations have we fought recently who were signatories, or demonstrated themselves otherwise obligated to follow it?

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Just for giggles? No.


    Nuclear weapon on a timer hidden in a major US city and we have a terrorist in custody who knows where it is? Yeah... but even then it should not be enshrined in law, more like "a forgiveable offense done out of desperate necessity."
    That is exactly the way it should be. Bravo. Well said. Thread be done now. The people who are involved put before jury of their peers and exonerated by circumstance. And granted pardon by the president. Thats the way should be done. The commander in chief gives the ok and stands with them in the court.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    no torture for any reason. we should, however, have the option of a death penalty for extreme cases where there is no doubt of guilt.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Let me ask you all a question...If your Mother, Father, Sister, Brother, Wife, Daughter, Son....was kidnapped and you believed their death was eminent and your options to find them have run out.....would you torture one of their kidnappers to find out where they were...or to try and find out where they were....

    I WOULD...IN A FLASH....so my answer is YES under certain circumstances torture is justifiable

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Let me ask you all a question...If your Mother, Father, Sister, Brother, Wife, Daughter, Son....was kidnapped and you believed their death was eminent and your options to find them have run out.....would you torture one of their kidnappers to find out where they were...or to try and find out where they were....

    I WOULD...IN A FLASH....so my answer is YES under certain circumstances torture is justifiable
    There are any scenarios where torture is justifiable. The punishment for an illegal or immoral act involving a victim should be harsher than what the suspect inflicted on others. If you apply this statement, the fact that there are criminals who torture victims implies there are criminals who deserve to be tortured. One of the purposes of punishments is to serve as a deterrent, thus you could argue many of our punishments are insufficient in this respect. I also support the torture of someone evil for the prevention of harm to someone innocent. Overall, I'm a strong believer in rewards and punishments for all positive and negative acts, respectively, with order preserved. By order preserved, I mean better positive acts get better reward and worse negative acts get harsher punishment.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Legalized torture, as during the Bush administration, revealed what is always the same problem. The potential for abuse by officials. It is also well known that torture will get people to confess to anything. Sadists gravitate to the positions of control. No, never, not justifiable in a civilized society.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    I do not want to be a part of any faction in the US that advocates torture for any reason. My rational being that once things like torture become a policy issue for a faction it is a slippery slope from there. Such policies have been what people fear from authoritarian governments, dictatorships and monarchies. And by advocating torture no matter the excuse one shows their naivety since they obviously are assuming that they or their loved ones will never be the target. Perhaps some can show restraint but not everyone and such policies always progress. It wouldnt take long until there would be people reasoning that its a good idea to torture people for being late with their taxes. Once torture is accepted imo its already too late.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    There are any scenarios where torture is justifiable. The punishment for an illegal or immoral act involving a victim should be harsher than what the suspect inflicted on others. If you apply this statement, the fact that there are criminals who torture victims implies there are criminals who deserve to be tortured. One of the purposes of punishments is to serve as a deterrent, thus you could argue many of our punishments are insufficient in this respect. I also support the torture of someone evil for the prevention of harm to someone innocent. Overall, I'm a strong believer in rewards and punishments for all positive and negative acts, respectively, with order preserved. By order preserved, I mean better positive acts get better reward and worse negative acts get harsher punishment.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Is it justifiable? Hmmm. that's a tough one.

    Still, however, torture is illegal under US law. That might get in a way of things.
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