View Poll Results: torture a justifiable punishment in first world countires?

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    torturing someone has nothing to do with combat. If someone is trying to kill you, kill them.

    To try and equate the two is moronic.
    nah they tortured our people by burning them to death with jet fuel on 9/11. combat doesnt occur on their terms. it occurs on ours.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by roflpublican View Post
    nah they tortured our people by burning them to death with jet fuel on 9/11. combat doesnt occur on their terms. it occurs on ours.
    So its ok to act like them and do the things they do. Then why are we better, Oh I know cause
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    So its ok to act like them and do the things they do. Then why are we better, Oh I know cause
    oh no we're no better. it stopped being about moral high ground the moment they took the towers down. now it's anything goes.


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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    You have to have due process first, unless they aren't American citizens that are POWs (or illegals, deportation w/o papers anyways)... Maybe... At Gitmo I agree... Maybe for Americans, I'm not sure tbh with you

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    I truly believe that if torture will save American lives or prevent a terrorist attack the likes of 9/11 or worse I say go for it!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    I don't understand the difference between thugs and bullies, I think they can switch. Also I don't understand the difference between domestic crimes (e.g. gang activity) and the part of international politics that is done by nation states, they all operate in a lawless environment ... jungle law.
    A "thug" is a hired employee doing a job that involves physical violence. It is, basically, professional employment. A bully is someone who threatens or does violence to frighten, control or intimidate another person with violence or threats of violence.

    A way various "businesses" and individuals address problems with a bully or bullies is to have their thug(s) take care of the bully/ies. However, that is only one job area of thugs, with each unique to their employment situation. If you hired someone to beat up, hurt or intimidate someone with threat of physical violence or with violence, that person is a "thug." Bullies are acting on their own motivations. Thugs are professionally acting on behalf of someone else. I was never a bully. But in the past I hurt bullies as a thug. I hurt other people too. However, I was not an assassin. That is still something else. If the purpose of the employee is only potential defensive violence, that is "security personnel." However, a professional can fill multiple roles: "bouncer," "security," "thug" (sometimes also "enforcer,") and/or "assassin." Except for the last, in my past I had such employment(s). However, that is just in my past.

    It is possible for a thug in his/her private life to also personally be a bully and that is not rare, but they are not the same.

    Domestic crimes involve the relevant jurisdictions rule of law for crimes that occur within that jurisdiction. International offenses did not occur within one of our jurisdictions, and therefore there is no relevant jurisdictional law.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    No. Killing does not require torture. Yes, some people deserve it.

    I'm in favor of corporal punishment, and I'm in favor of public executions, but torture for punitive purposes makes a fetish of others' pain.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    I didn't pick one. I believe that in the United States no citizen should be subject to torture. I believe that any proven terrorist that is NOT an american citizen can be subject to torture for the purposes of information only. No United States citizen should EVER be punished with torture. I cannot speak for other 1st World Nations.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    I advocate torture in lieu of incarceration.

    Singapore uses torture, carefully administered, to inhibit offenders from repeating their actions. It's very effective.

    In some cases, confinement as well as torture would be applicable.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I respectfully disagree, and believe that wastes of human life such as Jared Lee Loughner and James Holmes have given up their rights, and should have much pain inflicted onto them. Death and life in prison is just not good enough.
    They might deserve torture, but we-- as a nation-- should strive to uphold a higher standard. We deserve to live in a nation that doesn't condone torture.

    Scum like Mr. Loughner and Mr. Holmes should be put down. But they should be put down as we would put down any other dangerous animal: as humanely as possible.

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