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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Just for giggles? No.


    Nuclear weapon on a timer hidden in a major US city and we have a terrorist in custody who knows where it is? Yeah... but even then it should not be enshrined in law, more like "a forgiveable offense done out of desperate necessity."
    not "just for giggles" think of it more as "just for the settlement of the victims of atrocious crimes, and a strong deterrant for homicidal maniacs, that they could be facing a lot more than a painless death or life in prison, they could also be facing a whole lot of pain"

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    By the government, no. Definitely.

    In jungle or natural law, circumstantially yes - but then no prison is involved. However I don't necessary mean torture as most people think of it. Rather, retaliatory or punitive violence and/or injury. Such was an alternative when the criminal justice system involving was not relevant.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    not "just for giggles" think of it more as "just for the settlement of the victims of atrocious crimes, and a strong deterrant for homicidal maniacs, that they could be facing a lot more than a painless death or life in prison, they could also be facing a whole lot of pain"

    IMO, mass-murdering ****heads should be dealt with in the same manner as rabid dogs: you don't torture them, you just put them down. Quickly and efficiently.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    IMO, mass-murdering ****heads should be dealt with in the same manner as rabid dogs: you don't torture them, you just put them down. Quickly and efficiently.
    only one problem with that: rabid dogs don't choose to be rabid

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    If the CIA is sneaking into the prisons where they hold terrible criminals and torturing them anyways, then I want to know
    i don't the CIA operates best in secret. they're the good guys in my opinion.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    only one problem with that: rabid dogs don't choose to be rabid

    True enough, but the effect is the same: kill them at once and they are no longer a threat to anyone.

    In the middle ages they tried public torture of criminals as a deterrent. Didn't work worth a darn, partly because they sucked at catching criminals...


    Gov't having the power to torture its citizens is not something I want enshrined in law in my country.

    Just kill 'em. Then they can answer to God for anything they still owe for their crimes.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    It may seem ridiculous and a totally disgusting breach of human rights, but in some cases, do some people deserve just as much pain as they inflicted onto their victims?
    Apart from the fact, that inflicting torture on things puts you in the same category as your most heinous torturous criminal enemies, you invite the same torture on yourself.

    I personally know someone who likes torture, and he calls it a method of scientific study. It IS really scientific, and the standard methods that secret service interrogators use, go far beyond a death. Modern torture techniques are based on ADAPTIVE control, deciding each of the next steps after evaluating the body's (and mind's) response to the current step. So a modern torture not only maximizes the suffering, but also elongates it INDEFINITELY.

    I could write here exact examples that were carried out on animals as studies, but I won't. I can tell you this much: torture is a result of what we are and it is coming to each and every one of us. It is not a good idea to invite it faster. You will not see the end of it!!!

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by roflpublican View Post
    i don't the CIA operates best in secret. they're the good guys in my opinion.
    yeah, I agree that they're the good guys, but they don't sneak into American prisons and beat the crap out of rapists, and sick pedophiles and mass murderers (at least as far as I am aware). They usually beat the crap out of people with political motivation.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    Apart from the fact, that inflicting torture on things puts you in the same category as your most heinous torturous criminal enemies, you invite the same torture on yourself.

    I personally know someone who likes torture, and he calls it a method of scientific study. It IS really scientific, and the standard methods that secret service interrogators use, go far beyond a death. Modern torture techniques are based on ADAPTIVE control, deciding each of the next steps after evaluating the body's (and mind's) response to the current step. So a modern torture not only maximizes the suffering, but also elongates it INDEFINITELY.

    I could write here exact examples that were carried out on animals as studies, but I won't. I can tell you this much: torture is a result of what we are and it is coming to each and every one of us. It is not a good idea to invite it faster. You will not see the end of it!!!
    Thru the 1800s, torture was still debated academically as to whether it was a viable form of punishment. For some, they saw it as a superior alternative to long term imprisonment. The view was 1.) it is more fearful 2.) it is justified retribution and 3.) it does not harm other dependents - such as the criminal's children - as opposed to a long prison term - questioning the deterent, psychological result and adverse affect on those dependent on the criminal.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    yeah, I agree that they're the good guys, but they don't sneak into American prisons and beat the crap out of rapists, and sick pedophiles and mass murderers (at least as far as I am aware). They usually beat the crap out of people with political motivation.
    thems the breaks, don't get on the CIA's badside unless you like waterboarding.

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