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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    "Safety of the Guards" is just a talking point. How hard do guards have to work if prisoners are all kept in thier cells 24/7/365? And i'm sure that I could think of a few other things that would insure obediance. And if I can you can be sure that others can also.
    A guard talking point? They are the ones making that case.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A guard talking point? They are the ones making that case.
    I really don't care who says it. You keep people locked up in a jail cell, never open that door, it doesn't matter how belligerant they get. They will won't be able to get out do any any type of harm.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I really don't care who says it. You keep people locked up in a jail cell, never open that door, it doesn't matter how belligerant they get. They will won't be able to get out do any any type of harm.
    Getting away for the worse possible people for a minute, our jails are filled with people, some not near as bad as some might assume. No one really wants to be in jail. Sure some become institutionalized and forget how to live out here, but remember there is a certain amount of good and bad in all of us. Justice isn't about abuse, revenge, or anything of the kind. we're a basicly human people. And a lot of those people will one day be released. So, we might want to consider what returns to us.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Ok. However:

    Even that is immoral. Becoming evil doesn't combat evil.
    Sometimes it takes shoving a 4 foot pole up someone's *** to teach them how in the heck they've made others feel and motivate them to stop.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I respectfully disagree, and believe that wastes of human life such as Jared Lee Loughner and James Holmes have given up their rights, and should have much pain inflicted onto them. Death and life in prison is just not good enough.
    A man never gives up his rights to life. But the criminal does cede his right to respect....
    We should not confuse justice and revenge, but we do anyway.

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Sometimes it takes shoving a 4 foot pole up someone's *** to teach them how in the heck they've made others feel and motivate them to stop.
    Yeah!
    Works every time !

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Getting away for the worse possible people for a minute, our jails are filled with people, some not near as bad as some might assume. No one really wants to be in jail. Sure some become institutionalized and forget how to live out here, but remember there is a certain amount of good and bad in all of us. Justice isn't about abuse, revenge, or anything of the kind. we're a basicly human people. And a lot of those people will one day be released. So, we might want to consider what returns to us.
    There is a huge difference between a thief and a child rapist. I'm quite willing to treat a thief as a human being. A child rapist? They don't even deserve to be called feces much less human.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    A man never gives up his rights to life. But the criminal does cede his right to respect....
    We should not confuse justice and revenge, but we do anyway.
    A thief deserves justice. A person that murdered thier loved one in a jealous fit of rage deserves justice. Serial killers and child rapists? They don't understand the concept of justice much less deserve it.
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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Torture is nearly always justifiable to the person doing the torturing...wouldn't you say?

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    Re: is torture a justifiable punishment in a first world civilized country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There is a huge difference between a thief and a child rapist. I'm quite willing to treat a thief as a human being. A child rapist? They don't even deserve to be called feces much less human.
    it's a rather slippery slope. Your line is there, but we make another for another, and so on. Better to simply follow humane behavior. better for all of us.

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