View Poll Results: Should we develop such a described program to build infrastructure in poor countries?

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  • Yes, we should help countries in need

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  • Yes, it will bring the world long-term prosperity

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  • No, we don't have a moral imperative to help other countries

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Thread: Can we build it? Yes we can!

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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Oh, I thought "home country" referred to the country where the project was taking place.

    In any case, I pretty much always oppose protectionism. If you want to promote infrastructure development abroad, then let's do it. If you want to provide economic stimulus at home, then let's do it. But let's not try to do them at the same time through a Rube Goldberg policy of protectionist foreign aid. Foreign aid should be based on how to provide the greatest economic benefit at the lowest cost.
    Besides, I don't see how it's protectionism other than of our own economy, really. The proposed restrictions aim to keep it within our economy AND not take jobs away from home, and I don't think there's anything wrong with going with slightly higher costs if it means that we will be buying from our own economy, which in a recession, would need it.
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Fine, at least you're honest. My point is simple, a person's tax liability is not really a great argument for anything. It's like saying 'Hey, you're a doctor but don't have a penis? Well you can't be making decisions about men's health then.'
    I don't agree with you because I think people who don't have a dog in the fight may not realize what a burden a program like this would place on taxpayers. Neither do I think they'd necessarily care. That's just human nature.
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    No. Such a program would almost instantly become bogged down in local corruption and graft.

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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't agree with you because I think people who don't have a dog in the fight may not realize what a burden a program like this would place on taxpayers. Neither do I think they'd necessarily care. That's just human nature.
    How do you know he doesn't pay taxes though? And if he does then what? We'd pay the plutocracy game? Who pays more and then whomever pays more makes the rules? Plutocracy is the antithesis to democracy.
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't agree with you because I think people who don't have a dog in the fight may not realize what a burden a program like this would place on taxpayers.
    No, I agree, controlling inflation with such high stimulus would be significant, which is probably why if it were implemented, it would best remain as deficit spending only to be done in a recession.
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Why build foreign nations up when we cannot fend for ourselves currently?
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    Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Why build foreign nations up when we cannot fend for ourselves currently?
    Because we want one (or more) of their resources.

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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Because we want one (or more) of their resources.
    Hmmm, so purposefully "develop" some areas so we can exploit their resources.... sounds pretty much what we have been doing in the last 400 years actually.

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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    The only way new infrastructures will work is if they're built through the will of the afflicted people themselves. It's highly impractical, and the absolute summit of arrogance to think we know what's best for every people on the planet, poor or otherwise. Our aid has done nothing but create dependency, and fund warlords in the past, so why the **** would our efforts magically work in the future?
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by gavinfielder View Post
    In another discussion the idea was brought up of building infrastructure in poor, undeveloped countries.

    How much do we like this idea?

    First of all, let's set the parameters of a hypothetical program.
    1. The materials for all construction projects, when possible, MUST be provided by private companies of the program's home country. This ensures that the money spent on resources for the program will be put back into the home country's economy, and it also ensures that the project won't consume all of the foreign nation's limited resources.
    2. Adequate food must be provided by the home country, preferably also by private companies--at the sites, of course, trading, buying, or selling food with locals would be fine.
    3. The program must only employ citizens of the home country, and for each a limited amount of time.
    4. The form and method of payment of workers is up for discussion--that's a complex issue.


    Before you respond, please make sure you understand this. Arguing about government spending is completely inane because the government prints money (at least, the US government does, and most here are in the US)--now, this proposal is a much more economically complex idea because it potentially involves somehow controlling inflation in two different economies at once. That's what we need to be thinking about.

    And also, of course, its effects on our economy, the foreign nation's economy, how many people it would employ, and whether or not it's simply a good thing to do. Costs and benefits.
    LOL, build up your aging infractructure and create the jobs first.

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