View Poll Results: Should we develop such a described program to build infrastructure in poor countries?

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Thread: Can we build it? Yes we can!

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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by gavinfielder View Post
    In another discussion the idea was brought up of building infrastructure in poor, undeveloped countries.

    How much do we like this idea?

    First of all, let's set the parameters of a hypothetical program.
    1. The materials for all construction projects, when possible, MUST be provided by private companies of the program's home country. This ensures that the money spent on resources for the program will be put back into the home country's economy, and it also ensures that the project won't consume all of the foreign nation's limited resources.
    2. Adequate food must be provided by the home country, preferably also by private companies--at the sites, of course, trading, buying, or selling food with locals would be fine.
    3. The program must only employ citizens of the home country, and for each a limited amount of time.
    4. The form and method of payment of workers is up for discussion--that's a complex issue.


    Before you respond, please make sure you understand this. Arguing about government spending is completely inane because the government prints money (at least, the US government does, and most here are in the US)--now, this proposal is a much more economically complex idea because it potentially involves somehow controlling inflation in two different economies at once. That's what we need to be thinking about.

    And also, of course, its effects on our economy, the foreign nation's economy, how many people it would employ, and whether or not it's simply a good thing to do. Costs and benefits.
    Jesus, Mary and Joseph. STOP IT!!!!! No, hell no, absolutely no. We have our own infrastructure to take care of. What the hell is wrong with people?? Do you even PAY any taxes?? Really, that's just beyond the pale.
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I don't think it's really "aid" in most cases. I think it's loan sharking on a international governmental scale. We won't "help" anyone who doesn't have a resource we covet.

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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by gavinfielder View Post
    What costs?
    The costs of getting lower-quality materials and/or workers just because they happened to be located within a particular nation. If we want to help countries build up their infrastructure, why do we need protectionist restrictions on what workers can be hired and where the materials can come from? Just get the best stuff at the lowest price. That leaves more money left over for improving the infrastructure.
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Jesus, Mary and Joseph. STOP IT!!!!! No, hell no, absolutely no. We have our own infrastructure to take care of. What the hell is wrong with people?? Do you even PAY any taxes?? Really, that's just beyond the pale.
    Gawd, pay taxes? Is that really how low we've stooped? He pays taxes anytime he buys anything.
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Gawd, pay taxes? Is that really how low we've stooped? He pays taxes anytime he buys anything.
    Yeah, that's what I meant, Smarty Pants.
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, that's what I meant, Smarty Pants.
    Here, how about this, I'll bet you I pay more in taxes of ANY KIND than you do. So, should I have a bigger say than you? Should my ideas be put before yours? Let's play the plutocracy game and see who wins shall we?
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Here, how about this, I'll bet you I pay more in taxes of ANY KIND than you do. So, should I have a bigger say than you? Should my ideas be put before yours? Let's play the plutocracy game and see who wins shall we?
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    -- You first.
    Just as I thought. No real response. Now why don't you run off and try to use "DO YOU EVEN PAY TAXES?" on somebody who makes minimum wage. Maybe they'll be intimidated by such nonsense.
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Just as I thought. No real response. Now why don't you run off and try to use "DO YOU EVEN PAY TAXES?" on somebody who makes minimum wage. Maybe they'll be intimidated by such nonsense.
    I'll do it. I thought I made that clear. Your idea. You first.
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    There is no option for Hell no.


    And I don't pay income taxes. I'm exempt.

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