View Poll Results: Should we develop such a described program to build infrastructure in poor countries?

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  • Yes, it would put many people to work

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  • Yes, we should help countries in need

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  • Yes, it will bring the world long-term prosperity

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  • Yes, other/general

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  • No, we don't have a moral imperative to help other countries

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  • No, that's socialist

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Thread: Can we build it? Yes we can!

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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I don't think it's really "aid" in most cases. I think it's loan sharking on a international governmental scale. We won't "help" anyone who doesn't have a resource we covet.
    when you say it like that, let the aid flow.

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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by roflpublican View Post
    who said what how?

    this is 'merica

    You know that thing there up there look no not there there

    Oops you went to far.
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    You know that thing there up there look no not there there

    Oops you went to far.
    you mean the 'merican flag?

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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by gavinfielder View Post
    In another discussion the idea was brought up of building infrastructure in poor, undeveloped countries.

    How much do we like this idea?

    First of all, let's set the parameters of a hypothetical program.
    1. The materials for all construction projects, when possible, MUST be provided by private companies of the program's home country. This ensures that the money spent on resources for the program will be put back into the home country's economy, and it also ensures that the project won't consume all of the foreign nation's limited resources.
    2. Adequate food must be provided by the home country, preferably also by private companies--at the sites, of course, trading, buying, or selling food with locals would be fine.
    3. The program must only employ citizens of the home country, and for each a limited amount of time.
    4. The form and method of payment of workers is up for discussion--that's a complex issue.


    Before you respond, please make sure you understand this. Arguing about government spending is completely inane because the government prints money (at least, the US government does, and most here are in the US)--now, this proposal is a much more economically complex idea because it potentially involves somehow controlling inflation in two different economies at once. That's what we need to be thinking about.

    And also, of course, its effects on our economy, the foreign nation's economy, how many people it would employ, and whether or not it's simply a good thing to do. Costs and benefits.
    I support assisting poor countries with building infrastructure. It's a very worthwhile investment that pays for itself many times over. With that said, I couldn't disagree more with your method of doing so. The materials, food, and workers should come from wherever it exists at the cheapest price possible. This ensures that the country gets the maximum amount of benefit from their infrastructure by keeping costs low.

    If we want to help other countries with their infrastructure, then let's help other countries with their infrastructure. Protectionism has precisely the opposite effect.
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by roflpublican View Post
    you mean the 'merican flag?
    No just responding to your cryptic post.
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    No just responding to your cryptic post.
    no hablo.

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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    We need to fix our problems at home, first.

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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by gavinfielder View Post
    I should have seen that argument coming quick. This was originally from a discussion on, essentially, how to employ low-skill labor in a high-skill economy.

    A lot of America's problems lie in unemployment, which this is a viable way to fix. There is that consideration.

    And, the conservatives would be happy to leave our own infrastructure to private companies, and since we're so developed, that could be an option. It's definitely not an option for poorer countries.
    How does your program employ Americans if the programs are supposed to be sustained and implemented by citizens of the countries in which the work is performed? Further, it takes money OUT of our economy, thereby hurting OUR GDP.
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    How does your program employ Americans if the programs are supposed to be sustained and implemented by citizens of the countries in which the work is performed? Further, it takes money OUT of our economy, thereby hurting OUR GDP.
    I don't believe I said the program would be sustained and implemented by citizens of the foreign country.

    And it puts money into our economy. By buying from the home country, it's economic stimulus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I support assisting poor countries with building infrastructure. It's a very worthwhile investment that pays for itself many times over. With that said, I couldn't disagree more with your method of doing so. The materials, food, and workers should come from wherever it exists at the cheapest price possible. This ensures that the country gets the maximum amount of benefit from their infrastructure by keeping costs low.
    What costs?
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    Re: Can we build it? Yes we can!

    i'm for transitioning the US global role to a humanitarian one. however, when it comes to infrastructure, we have to fix our own house first.

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