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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    I understand the concept of providing condoms to promote safe sex, but I think it's more important to focus on abstaining from sex. Kids should be focusing on more important things in life instead of worrying about that itch in their pants.
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    All the safe sex classes and free condoms are not going to stop people from engaging in unprotected sex.Many people use all kinds of excuses for not using birth control like it doesn't feel good, you can pull out in time, if you do it a certain way then you can't get pregnant, my religion bans me from using birth control even though that same religion also bans per-maritial sex and so on.
    You do realize that there is empirical evidence (as opposed to idle speculation) that shows that this is simply not true? All the evidence indicates that the availability of condoms does indeed reduce pregnancy rates and STD rates. As for the people who don't want to use condoms (for whatever reason), they simply won't use them anyway. They won't be any worse off than if the condoms were not available for the students who *do* want them.
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Handing out condoms educates students that it's a positive thing to use protection before having sex. This decreases the chances of them being sidetracked from their education by stds or pregnancy
    Not it doesn't.

    Do you have a problem with the fact that this is related to sex or is there some other larger umbrella issue that concerns you?
    I have a problem with this because stuff like this is none of the school's business.
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Put free condom dispensers in the bathrooms of middle schools and high schools. If they have to ask for them they likely won't.

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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Balls View Post
    I understand the concept of providing condoms to promote safe sex, but I think it's more important to focus on abstaining from sex. Kids should be focusing on more important things in life instead of worrying about that itch in their pants.
    Yes like: you don't HAVE to have sex just because he/she WANT you to give in . . . and 'wait' - because a condom might break, be ineffective . . .and you'll be added to teh teen statistics of those who get knocked up or diseased anyway.

    People don't realize that condoms are not some magical implement that will seriously prevent these things - it's a risk even with bc pills and condoms you can still somehow end up pregnant or with a disease.


    What's the school going to do if they provide the condom - for free - that's flawed - and she gets pregnant?

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    Are they honestly willing to accept the consequences?
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    People don't realize that condoms are not some magical implement that will seriously prevent these things
    Condoms reduce pregnancy by 86% for typical use and 95% for perfect use. They reduce syphilis by 29% for typical use and 50-71% for perfect use. They reduce gonnorhea and chlamydia by 50% each. They reduce genital herpes by 40%, and HIV by 85%. No, they are not perfect. But yes, they seriously *do* prevent these things.

    http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pre...alecondom.html

    - it's a risk even with bc pills and condoms you can still somehow end up pregnant or with a disease.
    They are much better than the alternative - which isn't abstinence, but unprotected sex.

    What's the school going to do if they provide the condom - for free - that's flawed - and she gets pregnant?
    Why would the school be held responsible? You can't sue CVS or Walgreens if a condom doesn't work, so why would the school be any different?
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Condoms reduce pregnancy by 86% for typical use and 95% for perfect use. They reduce syphilis by 29% for typical use and 50-71% for perfect use. They reduce gonnorhea and chlamydia by 50% each. They reduce genital herpes by 40%, and HIV by 85%. No, they are not perfect. But yes, they seriously *do* prevent these things.

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    They are much better than the alternative - which isn't abstinence, but unprotected sex.



    Why would the school be held responsible? You can't sue CVS or Walgreens if a condom doesn't work, so why would the school be any different?
    Yeah - wow - that 14% fail rate (which is what you'd expect from crusty condoms out of a wall hung dispenser in the boy's locker room after it's been in his wallet - and got knows where else).

    Yes - they reduce your risks, no duh, of course they do. . . but is the school going to accept any responsibility for when they DON'T? They are not 100%.

    The risk is too great for me to ever suggest someone RELY on such a thing that's been stored and purchased in such a manor. They have expiration dates and so forth . . come on. I wouldn't trust a dispensed condom to save my life.

    Actually - I DID and Child #1 and #2 are here because of condoms and spermicide. Ok - I didn't bareback EVER until I married my now-husband and I went on the pill. . . but yet I had 2 kids with my ex.
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Not it doesn't.
    This flies in the face of numerous studies on sex education vs abstinence education.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I have a problem with this because stuff like this is none of the school's business.
    This is simply a reiteration of your position (and your opinion, at that).

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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Condoms reduce pregnancy by 86% for typical use and 95% for perfect use. They reduce syphilis by 29% for typical use and 50-71% for perfect use. They reduce gonnorhea and chlamydia by 50% each. They reduce genital herpes by 40%, and HIV by 85%. No, they are not perfect. But yes, they seriously *do* prevent these things.

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    They are much better than the alternative - which isn't abstinence, but unprotected sex.



    Why would the school be held responsible? You can't sue CVS or Walgreens if a condom doesn't work, so why would the school be any different?
    Because Walgreens/CVS isn't giving them away to children, nor does either of them make any representations about their effectiveness or risks. Schools are handing them out as 'safe" sex tools. HUGE different of liability as one is passive and the other pro-active. Walgreens/CVS aren't telling kids coming into the store, "here, have these for free. They are for safe sex practice."

    On top of that, parents can forbid their children going to drug stores nor have to take them to one every day. Attendance in school and compliance is required.

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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah - wow - that 14% fail rate (which is what you'd expect from crusty condoms out of a wall hung dispenser in the boy's locker room after it's been in his wallet - and got knows where else).

    Yes - they reduce your risks, no duh, of course they do. . . but is the school going to accept any responsibility for when they DON'T? They are not 100%.
    Again, why would the school accept responsibility for when they don't? Condoms are not marketed to be 100% effective. You don't sue any OTHER distributor of condoms, so what makes the school any different? How is it their fault?

    The risk is too great for me to ever suggest someone RELY on such a thing that's been stored and purchased in such a manor. They have expiration dates and so forth . . come on. I wouldn't trust a dispensed condom to save my life.
    1. It need not be a dispensed condom then; schools could offer GOOD condoms too.
    2. What exactly is the alternative you suggest?

    Actually - I DID and Child #1 and #2 are here because of condoms and spermicide. Ok - I didn't bareback EVER until I married my now-husband and I went on the pill. . . but yet I had 2 kids with my ex.
    I'm still confused as to how your bad luck means that distributing condoms is a bad idea (especially when you acknowledge that they do reduce the risks). The alternative is unprotected sex, which offers no protection at all.
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