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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What about clean needles knowing some kids use dirty needles for drugs?
    Those should be offered in places where they are needed too.

    Or eco-friendly rolling paper to students for those who are pot-heads?

    Porn magazines so they don't look at child porn?
    The harm reduction ability of these things is much more dubious (nonexistent?) than it is for condoms and/or clean needles.

    If a school handed a kid a condom, it failed, and a pregnancy resulted, I think that school district should be 100% legally liable. Actually, 1 size doesn't correctly fit all. Or if a child contracted genital herpes, for which condoms offer only marginal protection, that district owes costly prescription medication for a lifetime. And if such a condom fails and the student contracts HIV/AIDS, the school owes that kid $10 million.
    That's absurd. No other distributor can be successfully sued for faulty condoms, unless it's due to negligence on their part. So why would schools be any different? Condoms do not have a 100% success rate, and as long as the distributor (whether it's a school or anyone else) isn't telling people otherwise, the user is acting at their own risk. Furthermore, most of the failure rate of condoms is due to misuse rather than production flaws.
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The schools have no business handing out condoms to kids period.
    Why?

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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    I love how (some) conservatives frequently bitch about abortion, and bitch about people getting "handouts" because they have kids they can't afford. But are they willing to take any action whatsoever that could actually REDUCE those things? Nope.
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

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    The purpose of schools is to educate, not pass out condoms. Its none of the school's business if kids have sex. If the kids want condoms then they can ask mom and dad for some. If mom and dad say no then they can take their allowance and buy condoms or hop their ass down to planned parenthood to get free condoms.
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Distributing condoms could be a good step in preventing teen pregnancy and controlling STD infection. That and good sex ed (none of this abstinence only crap) could be really beneficial.
    Here's my beef with your ideas.
    A) The education system has nothing to do with condoms. I don't see schools distributing flu shots, immunization shots, or things like "Airraid" to keep kids from getting sick. Why is this preventitive measure ok to be distributed in schools? I tell you why. Because the education system continues to overstep it's bounds.
    B) We want our schools to teach curriculum that is scientifically sound, correct? Abstinence is proven to be the most effective way to prevent STD's and unwanted pregnancy. We don't teach kids in drivers ed how to drive and text in order to avoid a wreck do we? No. We teach them not to drive and text to begin with. The argument "well, they're going to do it anyway" holds no water. We could teach that about stealing (just steal a little bit), cheating (just get the answer to one question), fighting (not shots to the face), bullying (only if the victim laughs about it), and all sorts of other activities. But we don't. We teach that all of these things are wrong. We should teach that irresponsible sex between teens is as well. We should teach them that they have no idea about the physical and emotional ramifications that come from sex. I'm not against school's teaching about the anatomy of a human being. I'm not against them explaining what intercourse is. However, I am against them teaching my kid about how to have sex and avoid the consequences.
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I love how (some) conservatives frequently bitch about abortion, and bitch about people getting "handouts" because they have kids they can't afford. But are they willing to take any action whatsoever that could actually REDUCE those things? Nope.
    I have no problem with people using condoms and other birth control.So your attempt to make this about anti-birth control fails.
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I have no problem with people using condoms and other birth control.So your attempt to make this about anti-birth control fails.
    You're just against government providing it. Right.

    If you are truly against abortion and/or "handouts" for people with unwanted kids, then isn't providing them with free condoms a small price worth paying to reduce those more serious evils? You could provide a hell of a lot of condoms for the cost of government assistance for one unwanted child.
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The purpose of schools is to educate, not pass out condoms. Its none of the school's business if kids have sex. If the kids want condoms then they can ask mom and dad for some. If mom and dad say no then they can take their allowance and buy condoms or hop their ass down to planned parenthood to get free condoms.
    Handing out condoms educates students that it's a positive thing to use protection before having sex. This decreases the chances of them being sidetracked from their education by stds or pregnancy. Do you have a problem with the fact that this is related to sex or is there some other larger umbrella issue that concerns you?

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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Those should be offered in places where they are needed too.



    The harm reduction ability of these things is much more dubious (nonexistent?) than it is for condoms and/or clean needles.



    That's absurd. No other distributor can be successfully sued for faulty condoms, unless it's due to negligence on their part. So why would schools be any different? Condoms do not have a 100% success rate, and as long as the distributor (whether it's a school or anyone else) isn't telling people otherwise, the user is acting at their own risk. Furthermore, most of the failure rate of condoms is due to misuse rather than production flaws.
    I started a thread on the sexuality forum below on how horrifically false the premise is that one-size-condom-fits all. The failure rate of wrong sized condoms is VERY high and a generic condom will NOT fit correctly over 50% of the time.

    Most condom failure is due to it being the wrong size condom, not misuse.

    So unless the school nurse is going to measure the erect penis of every boy and recording it, handing out condoms is CERTAIN to cause both unwanted pregnancies and being infected with STDs - using the WRONG condom given out by the school for false safe-sex.

    So while having 11 year olds watch school required porn - do you think it should be straight porn, gay porn or bisexual porn - and should a "nurse" of the same or opposite gender be doing the measuring?

    Handing out condoms is a DEADLY politically correct school practice. I think they should get sued the hell out of for a condom failure based upon their KNOWN false practice that one size fits all. No different than giving required vaccinations would be if having no knowledge if the child is allergic to eggs etc.

    I do not believe one school with such a practice asks "how big is your penis when erect?" before handing a kid a condom.

    Handing out condoms is a DEADLY policy calling it "safe."

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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Handing out condoms educates students that it's a positive thing to use protection before having sex. This decreases the chances of them being sidetracked from their education by stds or pregnancy. Do you have a problem with the fact that this is related to sex or is there some other larger umbrella issue that concerns you?
    It creates a false claim of disease and pregnancy safety.

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