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Thread: Kids n' Kondoms

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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm actually kind of surprised by how many people chose 11-12 years old. Really? Don't you think there might be a problem if 11 and 12 year old children are having intercourse?
    Sure, but it's MORE of a problem if they are having intercourse without a condom. And THAT is generally the alternative, not abstinence. I think a lot of people who oppose giving condoms are approaching this from the mindset that if the kids just don't have access to condoms, they won't have sex...but studies just do not support that conclusion.
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sure, but it's MORE of a problem if they are having intercourse without a condom. And THAT is generally the alternative, not abstinence. I think a lot of people who oppose giving condoms are approaching this from the mindset that if the kids just don't have access to condoms, they won't have sex...but studies just do not support that conclusion.
    It is just not right for the school to be involved in handing those troubled 11 to 12-year-old children condoms. That is like putting a band-aid on a bullet hole. Those children need HELP, not condoms. There is more to worry about when it comes to children that age having sex than just STDs and pregnancies.

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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    I also think that if children that young (11-14) are sexually active and having intercourse, the parents should be made aware of this ASAP if the school happens to find out. I think it would be pure negligence on the part of any school if they were to neglect telling the parents of children that young who were requesting condoms. It's just kind of creepy if you ask me.

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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Hmm. That's interesting. Somebody should start a poll asking at what age people lost their virginity. I think 13-14 would be on the low side.
    You'd probably be right that its on the low side. But "low" does not mean zero.
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In high schools where intravenous drug use is a problem, they absolutely SHOULD hand out clean needles in the school. Ironically, your analogy that is supposed to be an outrageous extension of this idea, is actually a perfectly reasonable policy itself.



    There is no correlation between access to contraception and the age at which people start having sex (or the frequency with which they have sex).



    Then they can still tell their daughter not to. Hell, they could even forbid their daughter from taking the free condoms if they wanted to (although that would be extremely bad parenting). It's not like the school is telling their kids that they SHOULD go out and get laid.



    Please cite the studies that indicate that access to contraception "promotes promiscuity." Actual academic studies with actual data, not right-wing Bible-thumping blogs, please.
    You're willing to hand out needles to facilitate school children shooting up does tell where you are coming from.

    I think the burden of proof is on you. I'm not a right wing Bible thumper. BUT I do think since right wing Bible thumpers are required to send their children to school, what they think matters too as parents.

    What the school IS telling them is that using a condom makes sex "safe," when it does not, and it asserts the only safety issue of sex is disease and pregnancy, which it isn't, and - as I've oft noted - for young teenagers having sex is criminal and criminal deliquency. Children who break the rules - and the law - aren't to be faciliated by the school system to do so. In my opinion, when a 14 year old can have "safe" sex by all measures of what constitutes "safe" is exactly never.
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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You'd probably be right that its on the low side. But "low" does not mean zero.
    Perhaps, but if a school was EVER to become aware of such activities by such young children, the parents should be informed immediately. THAT is the responsible thing to do IMO. Not to simply hand out a condom and send them along their way.

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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You'd probably be right that its on the low side. But "low" does not mean zero.

    In technical terms of the physical act of sex, without a doubt there are children "having sex" at age 6.

    Since having sex at 12, 13 etc is criminally illegal and in fact is felony sexual assault, handing out condoms is basically certainly tolerating and supporting sexual assault, if not outright promoting it. Teach the children, "here, have the man use one of these so you don't get pregnant or a disease" to 13 year old girls. Actually very disgusting! I suppose it could come in handy for teachers on a tight budget. Because we don't want teachers getting the students pregnant or infected, do we?

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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Perhaps, but if a school was EVER to become aware of such activities by such young children, the parents should be informed immediately. THAT is the responsible thing to do IMO. Not to simply hand out a condom and send them along their way.

    And I believe actually are required by law in most states to do so, though schools like to exempt themselves if they can get away with it. A 14 year old having sex is a crime. It is criminal deliquency - minimally - by that teen and felony sexual assault by the other, depending on age. If not, then it is criminal deliquency by the other.

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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It is just not right for the school to be involved in handing those troubled 11 to 12-year-old children condoms. That is like putting a band-aid on a bullet hole. Those children need HELP, not condoms. There is more to worry about when it comes to children that age having sex than just STDs and pregnancies.
    There is no such thing as a 12 year old having "safe" sex, even setting aside disease and pregnancy issues.

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    Re: Kids n' Kondoms

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You're willing to hand out needles to facilitate school children shooting up does tell where you are coming from.
    It sure does. I'm coming from a rational, evidence-based perspective that indicates those kind of programs work, as opposed to an emotional knee-jerk reaction.

    I think the burden of proof is on you.
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    New Studies Signal Dangers of Limiting Teen Access to Birth Control Information and Services

    What the school IS telling them is that using a condom makes sex "safe," when it does not,
    I don't know of any school that teaches that condoms are 100% safe. But they're a hell of a lot safer than doing nothing to prevent pregnancy.

    and it asserts the only safety issue of sex is disease and pregnancy, which it isn't,
    How does giving out a condom tell people that? Just because a condom only prevents disease/pregnancy means that they're telling kids that disease/pregnancy are all they have to worry about? If I tell people to wear their seatbelt in a car, am I telling them that they don't need to worry about drinking and driving as long as they wear it?

    and - as I've oft noted - for young teenagers having sex is criminal and criminal deliquency. Children who break the rules - and the law - aren't to be faciliated by the school system to do so. In my opinion, when a 14 year old can have "safe" sex by all measures of what constitutes "safe" is exactly never.
    Wearing a condom will reduce pregnancy by 86% for typical use and by 95% for perfect use. It will also dramatically reduce STD infection rates. "Safe" is a subjective term, but by any objective measure wearing a condom is a hell of a lot safer than not doing so.
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