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Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

Should racist and bigoted words be outlawed?

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On another thread it has been brought up that some schools are taking punitive actions students they discover use the "N" word on the Internet. If young people should be punished for using racist or bigoted words, obviously adults should.

Should racist and bigoted words and expressions be outlawed?
 
Freedom of speech is Freedom of Speech. You will never get me to create an exception.
 
No, just discouraged.
 
joko104 said:
On another thread it has been brought up that some schools are taking punitive actions students they discover use the "N" word on the Internet. If young people should be punished for using racist or bigoted words, obviously adults should.

Should racist and bigoted words and expressions be outlawed?
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Whats a public school doing punishing a student for activity not on school time or property? Thats horsecrap if they attempt that. Frickin NAZIs are showing up everywhere. NAZIs are thugs, and there only one good kind of thug. By the way my answer is no.
 
joko104 said:
On another thread it has been brought up that some schools are taking punitive actions students they discover use the "N" word on the Internet. If young people should be punished for using racist or bigoted words, obviously adults should.

Should racist and bigoted words and expressions be outlawed?
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Hell no. The government has no place in thought control.
 
In a country that allows "private" wanted dead or alive posters (with bounties), permits thugs with billy clubs to "observe" polling places it is unlikely, although we now have charges of "hate" crimes so it is possible. How would one "prove" that the use of a word is hateful if the same word is accepted as a term of endearment when used by another? Listen to some (c)rap music and decide if that should warrant jail time as well.
 
I am beginning to see a trend here in the voting.
 
Fisher said:
Freedom of speech is Freedom of Speech. You will never get me to create an exception.
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We have a strong politically correct brigade in England..you can go to prison for racial abuse..yet as a white person If am subjected to abuse from black people...I am ignored..As most of our prisons over here are filled with immigrants..I curb my tongue...but hey..they can't stop me thinking it..
 
No.

Punching people in the face for using them should be legalized.:2razz:

Seriously though, they used to be co sidered "fighting words" for which you could get your butt kicked with no consequence to the kicker.

Force monopolies create a lot of this kind of thing. Where non physical rudeness and abuse are protected by law. Fairly new in our development as a species. We had a president die in a duel, right?
 
Freedom of speech is sometimes unpleasant but as a whole necessary.
 
joko104 said:
On another thread it has been brought up that some schools are taking punitive actions students they discover use the "N" word on the Internet. If young people should be punished for using racist or bigoted words, obviously adults should.
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I don't see how your conclusion follows from your premise. Schools punish students for a lot of things that aren't illegal. When I was in high school I got Saturday school a few times for dropping an F-bomb, which last I checked is not illegal. I don't see why racist words would be any different...in fact, I think it would be substantially worse than an F-bomb, if it was directed at a specific student and/or within earshot of a member of that race.

So no, it shouldn't be illegal. And yes, I'm fine with schools punishing students for it.
 
Kandahar said:
I don't see how your conclusion follows from your premise. Schools punish students for a lot of things that aren't illegal. When I was in high school I got Saturday school a few times for dropping an F-bomb, which last I checked is not illegal. I don't see why racist words would be any different...in fact, I think it would be substantially worse than an F-bomb, if it was directed at a specific student and/or within earshot of a member of that race.

So no, it shouldn't be illegal. And yes, I'm fine with schools punishing students for it.
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What about cameras in students houses to monitor their language? Good idea too?
 
joko104 said:
What about cameras in students houses to monitor their language? Good idea too?
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Umm. What? :shock:
I have no idea where you are going with this or what point you are trying to make.
 
Kandahar said:
Umm. What? :shock:
I have no idea where you are going with this or what point you are trying to make.
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The students are not being punished for statements made in or during school. They are being punished from statements they supposedly made on Internet social media, ie their private time and not any part of school or school activity. Schools monitoring and punishing students internet statements and activities not related in any manner to school. That's what I mean.
 
joko104 said:
The students are not being punished for statements made in or during school. They are being punished from statements they supposedly made on Internet social media, ie their private time and not any part of school or school activity. Schools monitoring and punishing students internet statements and activities not related in any manner to school. That's what I mean.
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If they are bullying other students via racial slurs on the internet, then it's absolutely the business of the school. If they're just casually using racial slurs in other situations...meh. The school probably has more important things to worry about, but I still don't really mind if they want to punish the kid.

The whole idea that schools shouldn't be concerned with what their students do outside of school is pretty outdated IMO.
 
Kandahar said:
If they are bullying other students via racial slurs on the internet, then it's absolutely the business of the school.
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Why??

The whole idea that schools shouldn't be concerned with what their students do outside of school is pretty outdated IMO.
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Why??
 
Kandahar said:
If they are bullying other students via racial slurs on the internet, then it's absolutely the business of the school. If they're just casually using racial slurs in other situations...meh. The school probably has more important things to worry about, but I still don't really mind if they want to punish the kid.

The whole idea that schools shouldn't be concerned with what their students do outside of school is pretty outdated IMO.
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When did statutory mandatory school attendance by children become statutory mandatory whole-life political correctness by children?

What possible justification is there for a school to punish a student for in his/her private life being a bigot? Lots of people claim religions are bigoted, so that also therefore punishable. It certainly is not illegal to have and express prejudices - though a school could do so within school as a matter of maintaining order.

Just how far do you think schools are allowed to go to monitor and punish wrongful thoughts and views of students in their private lives? Suspend a student for posting on Facebook she doesn't find fat boys attractive? Or he thinks Islam is a stupid religion? Or he doesn't like "Mexican" gangs? Or that he doesn't think the USA should have a black man, ie a "N" as president? Oh yes, a student saying that definitely should be thrown out of chess club or the basketball team, ridiculed to everyone else in school also inviting harassment and attack for it, and required to do community service.

Maybe, really, children should just be totally raised by schools in child rearing government centers for the good of the nation - constantly under audio and video surveillance to do the best possible job of preventing prohibited thinking, questioning and conversations.
 
joko104 said:
When did statutory mandatory school attendance by children become statutory mandatory whole-life political correctness by children?
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I hardly think telling students not to go around saying the N-word qualifies as "mandatory whole-life political correctness," but to each his own. :roll:

What possible justification is there for a school to punish a student for in his/her private life being a bigot? Lots of people claim religions are bigoted, so that also therefore punishable. It certainly is not illegal to have and express prejudices - though a school could do so within school as a matter of maintaining order.

Just how far do you think schools are allowed to go to monitor and punish wrongful thoughts and views of students in their private lives? Suspend a student for posting on Facebook she doesn't find fat boys attractive? Or he thinks Islam is a stupid religion? Or he doesn't like "Mexican" gangs? Or that he doesn't think the USA should have a black man, ie a "N" as president? Oh yes, a student saying that definitely should be thrown out of chess club or the basketball team, ridiculed to everyone else in school also inviting harassment and attack for it, and required to do community service.

Maybe, really, children should just be totally raised by schools in child rearing government centers for the good of the nation - constantly under audio and video surveillance to do the best possible job of preventing prohibited thinking, questioning and conversations.
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You have some strange ideas on education. Fortunately you don't have any power to enact them.
 
What if...? said:
No.

Punching people in the face for using them should be legalized.:2razz:

Seriously though, they used to be co sidered "fighting words" for which you could get your butt kicked with no consequence to the kicker.

Force monopolies create a lot of this kind of thing. Where non physical rudeness and abuse are protected by law. Fairly new in our development as a species. We had a president die in a duel, right?
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The real issue here is that people don't want to be called out for what they say. Nowheree in the
Constitution are you guaranteed no consequences for your free speech.
 
Kandahar said:
Because bullying other students affects their ability to learn.

Because stuff that students do off-campus can impact their own or other students' ability to learn.
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Many things people do might affect them at their workplace or school, but that doesn't make it any of the businesses or schools concern. The school day starts and ends and that is where their reach lies. If it floods into the school that is one thing, but if the school has to reach into the kids private life that is another. Simply affecting how kids learn is too broad and what you ask for with Internet guidance is too reaching outside of the school
 
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joko104 said:
On another thread it has been brought up that some schools are taking punitive actions students they discover use the "N" word on the Internet. If young people should be punished for using racist or bigoted words, obviously adults should.

Should racist and bigoted words and expressions be outlawed?
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Words themselves cannot be outlawed yet if a citizens is using those words to incite violence, criminal activity, harm, harass or create injustice to other citizens it can be against the law. i would say it needs to be considered on a case by case basis.
 
This is another one of those "not only no, but hell no" questions.
 
enemies of freedom of speech, the border is:
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if you don't like american values.
 
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